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Warthog wrote:Even though the topic should not be in the football football forum, I feel compelled to reply with my opinion. For the record, I am an Indians fan. But my thoughts about the Tigers have nothing to do with that. As a baseball fan, I just think the Tigers are digging themselves a HUGE hole. They are throwing money around like they are the Yankees, which they surely are not. Yes, the Pudge deal worked good last year, but what happens when his back flares up this season (which it is due to happen) and he plays about 65 games? And Percival's arm isn't what it used to be and they gave him a three year deal. You gonna be happy about that in three years? Pavano has always had the "potential" tag on him. Now in his free agent season he finally delivers something close to what his expectations were. And the Tigers jump in and give him $12 mil a season when no one else is near that amount? I just think they are trying to buy some wins, but that will be a financial disaster very soon.
Warthog if you look at what the Tigers have done in recent years they have plenty of financial support to make the signings that they have made in recent years. For starters the Pudge deal was totally in favor of the Tigers. There is a clause specific to his back that if he misses X games they can get out of the contract completely, no buyout, just void it if they choose. It was a VERY club-friendly contract.

Pavano has been very good for 2 years now, but I worry about his health. If healthy he's well worth that cash.

But more to what I started with. The Tigers, for as bad as they have been, have NOT been near the bottom in payroll. Detroit is a HUGE baseball city and not a small market team. If they have a winner they can spend in the 90+ million range a season. They gained huge attendance numbers last year, and adding a couple more top notch FAs would continue that trend this season.

More importantly their money is coming off the books. Matt Anderson was making $5 a year, and pitched for Toledo last year, that's gone now. Damion Easley got a buyout of like $18 million, that is now off the books. Higginson is in the last year of his receiving $14 million, next year he's gone. The Tigers are not raising their payroll that greatly when they take on these big names, they are simply replacing super overpaid lousy players, with slightly overpaid good players.

This is definitely not the way to build a franchise, but the Randy Smith era put us in such a hole it'd be 5 years before we could hope to draft our way into contention. Signing these sorts of players can bring us to respectability instantly and bring back some fans, until we can start getting some of our prospects up through the system. These guys won't be winning us any playoff spots, but it makes our team interesting for the forseeable future.

Just look at the payroll numbers. Despite adding Pudge, Guillen, White, Percival, Pavano (?), etc their payroll is not appreciably more than what it was 2 years ago when they lost 119 games. What they are doing now is spending money on decent players rather than wastes of space.
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AMEN Brother!!!!! Well said. I nominate you for the "Best Post of the Day Award". Excellent post. Well thought of. But now someone will give you the AX like they did me and said we should not talking about Detroit Tigers in this football chat. I see I opened up a can of Whoop A$$
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No doubt that Detroit is not a small market team. They should be able to fill Comerica Park with decent attendance even with a mediocre team but that doesn't happen. :shrug:

Not trying to argue with you at all, just a friendly discussion. I think that Pudge contract could backfire anyway. If his back goes out and the Tigers invoke the "cancel contract" clause, I would think that would have a lot of negative impact on another potential FAs that might go to Detroit. Who wants to play for the owner that just voided a contract because the guy got hurt? :shrug:

I understand that they are getting rid of some bad contracts and that is where the funds are coming from to make these new offers. But don't you worry that the same exact thing could happen? In two years you don't think you might be asking yourself "Why the f*ck did we sign Troy Percival for three years? I could have told you he was toast!" Just looks to me like they might be making the same mistakes all over again just for the sake of trying to be competitve now rather then doing it the right way by building a farm system to supply good young players.
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I would rather them spend that money on Glaus and sign Clement at a cheaper price than Pavano
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Clement better be signing with my Indians! :D
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bgsufan1972 wrote:Detroit can spend the money because Illitch doesn't have to pay as much this year on the Redwings
If the Red Wings aren't making money, no hockey team in the world makes money.
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I am a Clement fan as well, but he is just bottled up potential that has never fulfilled it even to the level of Pavano. The way the Tigers have talked, they may still have money to sign Glaus. Gammons said in his chat today he expects the Tigers to sign 2 of the Boras Clients (Glaus, Pavano, Lowe, Drew). Glaus scares me with his injury history, but he'd be a good pick up.

Warthog, yes it does scare me to some extent. However, Percival was only a 2 year deal. Plus I trust Dombrowski, because he's done it before...twice really. He was given an open purse and told to purchase a championship in Florida, and he did. Then he was told to sell those players for prospects that would lay the groundwork for another championship, which came to fruition last year. The guy knows his stuff.

More importantly however, is that I think putting $8 million is much safer than $15 million on Higginson. Or $6.5 million is safer on Pudge than $8 million on Damion Easley. Our past money was tied up on guys that never were, let alone has beens. Obviously some of these FA signings will bust, see: Viña, Fernando. However, Illitch can afford the payroll.

You are right a mediocre team will put butts in seats at CoMerica, but remember we have been looking up at mediocre for quite some time now.
I really don't think the Tigers are overspending at this moment however. They're just taking money that they freed up from overpaying losers.
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Warthog wrote:No doubt that Detroit is not a small market team. They should be able to fill Comerica Park with decent attendance even with a mediocre team but that doesn't happen. :shrug:
Hell, medicore would be an improvement. These guys have flat out stunk for years. It's taken its toll on the crowds.

Think about it: The last time the Tigers were actually *good*, the Indians' heyday hadn't even arrived yet.

That's one long, long time.
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NFR (not falcon related)

move this to the Free For All section and get some life over there so we can have discussion! :D
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Dayons_Den wrote:NFR (not falcon related)

move this to the Free For All section and get some life over there so we can have discussion! :D
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Ditto, boys. :wink:
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I just read on Rotoworld.com that the Tigers have reportedly made offers to Glaus and Finley as well.
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Glaus would be an awesome addition! Would mean Munson is gone for sure...They need to keep Inge though...I'm excited to see them making moves to improve the team, but I'm concerned they'll get too old...
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