Second-Half Collapse....AGAIN

[Rightupinthere]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich.

You missed one.


Welcome to the asylum.

[renorvis]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich. BG is such a tough place to recruit to and the fact that DD was able to recruit and develop Keith McLeod, Len Matela, Brandon Pardon, John Reimold, Josh Almanson, etc. and be good for a number of years was remarkable given the facilities, the weather, etc. at BG.

Sure he was tough, but I watched 3 DD teams BEAT Kent on the road when Kent was better than they are now. A DD team would never quit like they did last night. Hopefully the Stroh Center wil enable Coach Orr to recruit some better players - until then, reflect back on the early 2000's and enjoy the memories.

Not an Orr fan I guess? I have a question for you, if DD was such a good developer then why haven't his players that are here now developed? All the guys that are here now I think have suffered from DD development. Clearly they did not respond to DD style of coaching which is why we had the incident at the Fordham game. Which is why Darryl Clements barely saw the court when DD was here and B-Mo didn't hit his stride until the second half of last season in the ORR era. Otis did not start to get better until JACKSON started working with him.

[Ryan Autullo]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich. BG is such a tough place to recruit to and the fact that DD was able to recruit and develop Keith McLeod, Len Matela, Brandon Pardon, John Reimold, Josh Almanson, etc. and be good for a number of years was remarkable given the facilities, the weather, etc. at BG.

Sure he was tough, but I watched 3 DD teams BEAT Kent on the road when Kent was better than they are now. A DD team would never quit like they did last night. Hopefully the Stroh Center wil enable Coach Orr to recruit some better players - until then, reflect back on the early 2000's and enjoy the memories.

I'd have an easier time agreeing with you if Curt Miller was getting killed in recruiting wars.

[h2oville rocket]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich. BG is such a tough place to recruit to and the fact that DD was able to recruit and develop Keith McLeod, Len Matela, Brandon Pardon, John Reimold, Josh Almanson, etc. and be good for a number of years was remarkable given the facilities, the weather, etc. at BG.

Sure he was tough, but I watched 3 DD teams BEAT Kent on the road when Kent was better than they are now. A DD team would never quit like they did last night. Hopefully the Stroh Center wil enable Coach Orr to recruit some better players - until then, reflect back on the early 2000's and enjoy the memories.

I'd have an easier time agreeing with you if Curt Miller was getting killed in recruiting wars.

Don't agree with FQ but I will say I believe comparing men and women's recruiting is akin to the apples/oranges thing.

[TG1996]

Don't agree with FQ but I will say I believe comparing men and women's recruiting is akin to the apples/oranges thing.

Yeah, well Toledo sucks.
Um, I mean... yeah, I agree with you there, to an extent.

[Ryan Autullo]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich. BG is such a tough place to recruit to and the fact that DD was able to recruit and develop Keith McLeod, Len Matela, Brandon Pardon, John Reimold, Josh Almanson, etc. and be good for a number of years was remarkable given the facilities, the weather, etc. at BG.

Sure he was tough, but I watched 3 DD teams BEAT Kent on the road when Kent was better than they are now. A DD team would never quit like they did last night. Hopefully the Stroh Center wil enable Coach Orr to recruit some better players - until then, reflect back on the early 2000's and enjoy the memories.

I'd have an easier time agreeing with you if Curt Miller was getting killed in recruiting wars.

Don't agree with FQ but I will say I believe comparing men and women's recruiting is akin to the apples/oranges thing.

I understand you were probably in a rush, but care to explain why they'd be different?

[ZiggyZoomba]

I understand you were probably in a rush, but care to explain why they'd be different?

C'mon Ryan... the women's team always has nice weather, their facilities are MUCH nicer and they play on the squishy floor that the men aren't allowed to use!!

And the locker rooms... my GOD the locker rooms!!!

[Flipper]

Heck..the women's team has a locker room full of good loooking women...that's a HUGE plus...

[hammb]

Heck..the women's team has a locker room full of good loooking women...that's a HUGE plus...

To some of them it might be


*post totally tongue in cheek...not trying to imply anything about our specific women's team*

[BgWaRrIoR]

Something I thought was indicative of the game last night: we were 2-10 on 3 point FG in the first half. It gets worse. We were 0-10 in the 2nd half. Call me crazy, but if you can't make threes, DONT shoot them.

[h2oville rocket]

Don't agree with FQ but I will say I believe comparing men and women's recruiting is akin to the apples/oranges thing.[/quote]

I understand you were probably in a rush, but care to explain why they'd be different?[/quote]

In basketball, as in life, I think women are looking for different things. IMO, fewer women are merely looking for a way to extend their playing days and are looking more at educational/job opportunities, social opportunities, proximity to home or where they'd like to live, etc. In other words very few of them are looking for a career in the NBA or other pro hoops and they have a realistic life plan. A lot of the male athletes I knew when I competed left school after their eligibility ended. They were looking for the best place to play and showcase their talents and not looking beyond that. I don't believe that's true of very many women.

If recruiting was very similar, then coaching would be very similar and if coaching was very similar I think we'd see Pat Summit leading Ohio State to the NCAA finals every year. The lack of significant crossover in the coaching ranks tends to bolster my theory, I think.

[BleedOrange]

Miller and Clements have had problems? Really? One did something off court and got suspended for 3 games. The other got punched by a coach during the game. And as a result they are nullified them from being a team leader? In the eyes of whom? I doubt that the other players share your righteous, moralistic point of view.

And another thing. The recruiting conditions at BG are not meaningfully different from the bulk of mid-major D1 schools in the region. The weather sucks in the entire MAC and Horizon, as well as Detroit, Chicago, Toledo, Pittsburg, Indy, and most of western NY. Furthermore, nobody is picking Cleveland State over BG because of their damned arena.

Concerning the second half meltdowns: it's January. Can we please wait a reasonable amount of time to see if this trend improves? If this continues all year, and then see signs of it next year, then we can start wondering about Orr. Until then, could it be that the players have something they just need to work through? (...and to those of you that think you're somehow demonstrating a double standard against DD, your reasoning sucks.)

I don't know if a DD team would be "quitting" in the second half. I do know that DD treated 5 consecutive throw-away seasons rife with blow-outs against Michigan directionals, player turnover, low talent levels, and horrible performances in March. One year, we started Floyd, Reimold, Almanson, and Eyink and had no depth at all. That might have been the slowest team in D1, and certainly was less talent than our current crew.

[Falcon137]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich. BG is such a tough place to recruit to and the fact that DD was able to recruit and develop Keith McLeod, Len Matela, Brandon Pardon, John Reimold, Josh Almanson, etc. and be good for a number of years was remarkable given the facilities, the weather, etc. at BG.

First; Dan, don't post on here.

2nd; Jim Larranaga did ok while at BG. He even recruited a guy named Antonio Daniels to this place.

[OSUFALCON]

Nate Miller ...loves to watch the shot clock swine down and then let it fly.

Are you saying he's a ball hog?

Seems this guy ruined his BG City Schools education by heading to tOSU. It's sad, really.

yes he is a ball hog when the shot clock is winding down. I should proof read before posting. You only learn spelling at TOSU with a Master Degree.

[transfer2BGSU]

In April 2008 I warned all of the Falcon hoops faithful that you would NEVER get a better coach than Dan Dakich. BG is such a tough place to recruit to and the fact that DD was able to recruit and develop Keith McLeod, Len Matela, Brandon Pardon, John Reimold, Josh Almanson, etc. and be good for a number of years was remarkable given the facilities, the weather, etc. at BG.

Sure he was tough, but I watched 3 DD teams BEAT Kent on the road when Kent was better than they are now. A DD team would never quit like they did last night. Hopefully the Stroh Center wil enable Coach Orr to recruit some better players - until then, reflect back on the early 2000's and enjoy the memories.

I'd have an easier time agreeing with you if Curt Miller was getting killed in recruiting wars.

Don't agree with FQ but I will say I believe comparing men and women's recruiting is akin to the apples/oranges thing.

I understand you were probably in a rush, but care to explain why they'd be different?

Simple: MANY high school male athletes are unrealistic about their playing abilities and their future.

I have talked with prospective male athletes when I worked at a D-III school and their first question was "How many pro scouts come to your games?"

I had a kid tell me once that he was talking with the baseball coach from NC State and wanted to wait before he committed to our school. When I asked him when he last talked to the NC State coach, he responded "In February (and I was talking to him in June at an awards ceremony).

We had over 250 guys trying out for our golf team (NCAA D-III National Champions several years in the 90's). We would give the student a chart that showed what it took to make the squad last year. If you have to average a 73 for 18 holes, and you average 49 for 9, what do you think your chances are of making the team? So, Jim-Bob shows up and tries out for the team, and when he realizes he is not going to make it, packs up his belongings in the middle of night and splits town.

Seeing Pat Kennedy here with the Towson team reminded me of the kid from Florida that decided he was going to walk-on at Florida State. He called the basketball coach up five weeks into the semester and the coach transferred him up to me. When I asked him why he wanted to transfer from FSU, he responded "Can you believe that Coach Kennedy didn't even hold tryouts for walk-on's?"

For every Bianca Hooten there are ten guys who are unrealistic.

"There are 380,000 NCAA student-athletes, and just about all of us will be going pro in something other than sports."

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Very disappointed they used K-Mac instead of Tech83 for the Architecture card. I'm still searching for that Jay Campbell rookie card!