Game tonight

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:32 am

We all knew there would be growing pains when Coach Orr stepped in. It's been a tough stretch....the team needs to find a way to win, period. It's a decent team. Anyone in the MAC can win the Tourney and no team has really broken from the pack. At least not yet. It is a very balanced league this year.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:21 pm

Metz wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:Well, judging by our attendance, he's not alone. And on this particular subject, he's right. We are not a good basketball team right now, and we are certainly not on the same level as Miami. Aside from a few years past the turn of the century, we've never really been on their level. Miami's had great teams for many years, and BG hasn't been dancing in 40 years.

This isn't about who supports the program and who doesn't, its about facts. Fact is we just lost two straight at home, which pretty much guarantees that we're going to be under .500 in conference because we cannot, I repeat, CAN NOT win on the road.
We aren't a terrible basketball team either. In fact, I'd rather watch the team now than the last few years. The last 2 home games we've lost, we have actually had a chance to win so I don't think it's that we aren't on the same level as Miami. If we were getting blown out rather than not playing consistently, maybe I'd agree, but that's not the case.

I'm just curious when you started following BG basketball? Stop looking at banners in Anderson...that "aside from a few years past the turn of the century" comment is ridiculous. If there was ever a time we were on the same level or higher, it was definitely before the turn of the century and not past.

You sicken me.

What are you trying to say? That we've been a good team over the long haul of history?

Since 1970, BG has been over .500 20 times in 38 seasons. That's pretty much mediocre, especially considering a lot of those records are 14-13, 15-14, etc. In that timespan we've had only 4 20 win seasons, 1980, 1997, 2000, and 2002. BG went to the NIT in every one of these years, losing in the first round in both 2000 and 2002. So basically reaching the 1st round of the NIT has been an absolute BEST case scenario for us, for almost 40 years.

That coupled with the fact that we have been absolutely horrendous the entire time I've been in school here, forces me to conclude that we are a bad men's basketball program and have been for a long time. Many have said that back as recently as 2003/2004, Anderson Arena was sold out and you had to wait in lines in the freezing cold weather just to be sure you could get in. That is something that I find downright unbelievable. Nobody even knows when games are played anymore, because everybody expects us to suck, every year, and nobody puts any time or energy into finding out when the team plays. Nobody talks about the team's games, nobody even makes mention of the players, nothing. It's taboo to talk about men's basketball in BG because we suck. The same is true of the hockey team, to a lesser extent, mostly because they have actually done something within the last 40 years like win a national championship and make the NCAA tournament. TG was right about that when he made the point several days ago and Niz followed him up. The student population of BG doesn't care about men's basketball because we are currently bad and we have no history, aside from a rather large blip on the screen from 1997-2002.

If my previous post made you sick, I hope you're vomiting now. Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:36 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote: Many have said that back as recently as 2003/2004, Anderson Arena was sold out and you had to wait in lines in the freezing cold weather just to be sure you could get in. That is something that I find downright unbelievable.

I'm not going to deny the fact that our basketball program is not where I'd like it to be, but your dates are a little off. The last time we had serious attendance was the '01-'02 season, and you better believe that we had to wait in line to get in if you wanted the front row seats. We averaged around 3500 per game, I think, and I know we sold out at least 3 of those games. We hosted Michigan and UNC Wilmington (beat them both). We also hosted the KSU team that went to the Elite 8, also a sellout.

The student section was intense and rocking for almost every game that season. The second half of the year your ID was not enough to get you in, you also had to go to the ticket office the day before and pick up a ticket stub, because there were limited seats for students. Wrist bands were given to get into the student area because it was full (although people found plenty of ways around this).

The games were exciting the team was fun to watch and the student section was rowdy. The doors opened 1 hour before tip and we'd get there before that to line up and ensure front row seating.

I know you may find it hard to believe, but believe me, I'd have no reason to lie. Just 7 years ago Anderson Arena was truly the "House that roars" and attendance/student apathy was not an issue. Something tells me if we start winning again like we did during the 97-02 stretch it will quickly return to those levels of support. Just win, the rest takes care of itself.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:10 pm

hammb wrote: We also hosted the KSU team that went to the Elite 8, also a sellout.

Wasn't that also the night that Stacey became the all time leading scorer at BG? That was a great night

hammb wrote: Wrist bands were given to get into the student area because it was full (although people found plenty of ways around this).

Who would do such a thing?

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:17 pm

Warthog wrote:
hammb wrote: We also hosted the KSU team that went to the Elite 8, also a sellout.

Wasn't that also the night that Stacey became the all time leading scorer at BG? That was a great night

That was in 2000. But yeah, a great night. I'm so glad I made it back for both that game and the Michigan game.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:19 pm

hammb wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Many have said that back as recently as 2003/2004, Anderson Arena was sold out and you had to wait in lines in the freezing cold weather just to be sure you could get in. That is something that I find downright unbelievable.
I'm not going to deny the fact that our basketball program is not where I'd like it to be, but your dates are a little off. The last time we had serious attendance was the '01-'02 season, and you better believe that we had to wait in line to get in if you wanted the front row seats. We averaged around 3500 per game, I think, and I know we sold out at least 3 of those games. We hosted Michigan and UNC Wilmington (beat them both). We also hosted the KSU team that went to the Elite 8, also a sellout.

The student section was intense and rocking for almost every game that season. The second half of the year your ID was not enough to get you in, you also had to go to the ticket office the day before and pick up a ticket stub, because there were limited seats for students. Wrist bands were given to get into the student area because it was full (although people found plenty of ways around this).

The games were exciting the team was fun to watch and the student section was rowdy. The doors opened 1 hour before tip and we'd get there before that to line up and ensure front row seating.

I know you may find it hard to believe, but believe me, I'd have no reason to lie. Just 7 years ago Anderson Arena was truly the "House that roars" and attendance/student apathy was not an issue. Something tells me if we start winning again like we did during the 97-02 stretch it will quickly return to those levels of support. Just win, the rest takes care of itself.

Hammb, you're absolutely right. Winning cures all ills. And I'm willing to give Coach Orr the benefit of the doubt after how bare the cupboard was left by Dakich. Like Falconfreak said, this isn't going to happen overnight. It's going to take several years of tough effort to turn this program around.

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:51 pm

Going to games during the Stacey, Matela, Pardon, McCleod and Klassen days was awesome. AA always had a crowd with both students, alums and townies. I wish for those days again. There is NOTHING better than a BG game in a jammed packed AA.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:07 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote:What are you trying to say? That we've been a good team over the long haul of history?

Nope. I'm saying that your facts are not right. We were good right before the turn of the century and not many years after. I'll leave it at that as hammb corrected the rest for you.

Also, please realize we got a huge shaft with the NCAA tourney and ended up in the NIT in 1997. The MAC Tourney screw up really ended up hurting, but we had a hell of a season that year.

bgsufalcon24 wrote: If my previous post made you sick, I hope you're vomiting now. Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

Never was vomiting, but feel free to come back and slam me as I say we're going to beat Ohio Saturday.

BGFalconfromCincy · Post by **BGFalconfromCincy** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:46 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote: Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

You really gotta get out of the predictions business after your last two predictions (this one and hockey vs Michigan). Its one thing to have one prediction do horribly, but two in the span of like 8 days. Please don't predict the women's team to deliver any 20+ point beatdowns any time soon, I want their winning streak to continue.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:03 pm

BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

You really gotta get out of the predictions business after your last two predictions (this one and hockey vs Michigan). Its one thing to have one prediction do horribly, but two in the span of like 8 days. Please don't predict the women's team to deliver any 20+ point beatdowns any time soon, I want their winning streak to continue.

Maybe I do need to get out of predicting BG sports because I am dumbfounded, absolutely dumbfounded at this result. How in the hell did we win this game?! (Mind you, BGSU33 had virtually the exact same prediction and based on recent posts by Niz and others I was certainly not alone in thinking a beatdown was coming). I just don't get it, we hadn't won on the road all year, and was coming off of two crushing home losses in a row. Further, Ohio was one of the top teams in the MAC. There was no indication whatsoever that BG was going to win today. The only way you could've picked it would have been out of blatant optimism/homerism, as Metz did. And I gotta say, he just crossed me over and drained a 3-pointer at the buzzer with this one.

Of course, results like today's are why they play the games. And on these two terribly bad predictions, at least we've won

That's better than some of my terrible picks earlier in the year, like football losing to EMU at home.

As for the women, I didn't post anything official, but I figured we'd roll right through Akron, Buffalo and EMU. We've got some tougher teams ahead so I don't think I see any 20+ point wins coming anytime soon.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:04 pm

BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

You really gotta get out of the predictions business after your last two predictions (this one and hockey vs Michigan). Its one thing to have one prediction do horribly, but two in the span of like 8 days. Please don't predict the women's team to deliver any 20+ point beatdowns any time soon, I want their winning streak to continue.

Now, bgsufalcon24, you can go stick your head back in the toilet where it belongs.

gmartin · Post by **gmartin** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:04 pm

BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

You really gotta get out of the predictions business after your last two predictions (this one and hockey vs Michigan). Its one thing to have one prediction do horribly, but two in the span of like 8 days. Please don't predict the women's team to deliver any 20+ point beatdowns any time soon, I want their winning streak to continue.

No predictions this time from BGSUFALON24, but thinks our rpi will drop more because we didn't blow EMU out.

Originally posted by bgsufalcon24:
I'm surprised it was that close, honestly. Good performance again in what I suppose could've been a trap game.

Unfortunately, we'll probably fall to 80th in the RPI now that we didn't win by 20.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:07 pm

gmartin wrote:
BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote: Better now than after our upcoming 20+ point beatdown Saturday in Athens. Ohio's going to beat the living crap out of us.

You really gotta get out of the predictions business after your last two predictions (this one and hockey vs Michigan). Its one thing to have one prediction do horribly, but two in the span of like 8 days. Please don't predict the women's team to deliver any 20+ point beatdowns any time soon, I want their winning streak to continue.

No predictions this time from BGSUFALON24, but thinks our rpi will drop more because we didn't blow EMU out.

Originally posted by bgsufalcon24:
I'm surprised it was that close, honestly. Good performance again in what I suppose could've been a trap game.

Unfortunately, we'll probably fall to 80th in the RPI now that we didn't win by 20.

Convenient how you forgot the smiley at the end of that women's bb post.

anorrisOU · Post by **anorrisOU** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:49 pm

Ohio Freshman Steven Coleman didn't practice towards the end of the week due to a 100+ degree fever, the flu I believe hit several players on our team were hit with it to some extent, and it showed.

Was an ugly defensive struggle today, and that is not our style... we are better as an up-tempo team. Right now, we are 8-0 when scoring more than 70, and 2-8 when we score under 70. Holding us down and playing a slower pace was definitely an advantage to BG.

Was a close one the entire way, the largest lead was six points, twice, for a total of about 45 seconds. Neither team had the ability to put together a big run and get a lead built.

We had our chances late to steal this one from you, and we just weren't able to execute against your D. I still believe we take this one if our team was 100%, but you have to play through, and we weren't able to close it. My hat's off to your team, and we'll see you up north in March.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:53 pm

Thanks for stopping by and giving a bit of a recap.

The box score showed the defensive side of things, it sounds like we really escaped with one at the end (thanks to some missed FT's, our own achilles heel), but I'll take it!