Yes, winning a National Championship is the most important thing.Warthog wrote: First, is that the most important thing about a program? Yes, winning a national championship would be great, but is that how you judge the success of the program? What about academic standing? Graduation rates?
Big surprise there, eh? I've been in class with more than a few boneheaded football players over the last 4 years. Not to mention the fact that the hockey players stay out of trouble off the ice, something that a lot of basketball and football players have had trouble with over the years.ShaneFalco wrote:
The hockey team has a much higher academic standing and graduation rate than the football and basketball teams year after year.
That's a baseless argument because hockey fans know the schools that they play. The University of Maine, Denver, and other small schools unknown outside of hockey are national powers. LSSU had their heyday shortly after BGs and won the national championship a couple of times. Inside the hockey circle's these teams are known.Warthog wrote:puckster,
Yes, the hockey program plays against some biggies, but ask many students about Lake Superior St, Ferrris St, Nebraska-Omaha and they probably will say 'who the hell is that?' They play those schools, big and small, because there are so few teams that play Div I hockey, that they have play each other. You think OSU, UM, MSU, ND would be coming to BG to play if they had other options?
I'm sorta with Warthog with this one , although I have gone to several hockey games in my day. Yeah, it is great that we do go up against top notch competition week in and week out with the likes of OSU, Mich, MSU, ND but we haven't been at that level for eons. We probably have passed the threshold for being able to compete in highly in Div.1 college hockey here with our funds being split with more nationally popular sports in basketball and football. I do wish we could keep the hockey program alive but where are we gonna get the funds to keep it at the high level , ie higher pay for better coaches and assistants and better facilities to bring in the recruits we need to compete? The OSU's , ND's, MSU's and Michigans are huge universities with tons of rich alums making donations every year. How else can some of those schools pay close to a million dollars a year for their coaches? We just can't compete financially with them in this sport.bgpuckster wrote:So what sport do you love? If that were rumored to be dropped how would you feel? Name me the last major college sport that has won a national championship here at BG. What current sport brings Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame and Michigan State on campus to play? What other sport competes in a league with those teams? Football will never get any of those schools to come on campus and will never get a chance to compete for a national championship, ever! Basketball may have a slightly better shot at a national championship, but it still doesn't compete with the schools the hockey team does nor can bring them on campus. Further, the hockey team outdraws the basketball team pretty regularly still.
Bechstein has it right, the former players are waiting for the University to actually make an investment into the program before they will. How can Miami afford to field all three sports while having fewer students and BG can't? It's called priorities. It's time for this university to once again give the hockey program the priority it deserves!
Fboy are you trying to make a friend of Wart, or a point?Falconboy wrote:I'm sorta with Warthog with this one , although I have gone to several hockey games in my day. Yeah, it is great that we do go up against top notch competition week in and week out with the likes of OSU, Mich, MSU, ND but we haven't been at that level for eons. We probably have passed the threshold for being able to compete in highly in Div.1 college hockey here with our funds being split with more nationally popular sports in basketball and football. I do wish we could keep the hockey program alive but where are we gonna get the funds to keep it at the high level , ie higher pay for better coaches and assistants and better facilities to bring in the recruits we need to compete? The OSU's , ND's, MSU's and Michigans are huge universities with tons of rich alums making donations every year. How else can some of those schools pay close to a million dollars a year for their coaches? We just can't compete financially with them in this sport.bgpuckster wrote:So what sport do you love? If that were rumored to be dropped how would you feel? Name me the last major college sport that has won a national championship here at BG. What current sport brings Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame and Michigan State on campus to play? What other sport competes in a league with those teams? Football will never get any of those schools to come on campus and will never get a chance to compete for a national championship, ever! Basketball may have a slightly better shot at a national championship, but it still doesn't compete with the schools the hockey team does nor can bring them on campus. Further, the hockey team outdraws the basketball team pretty regularly still.
Bechstein has it right, the former players are waiting for the University to actually make an investment into the program before they will. How can Miami afford to field all three sports while having fewer students and BG can't? It's called priorities. It's time for this university to once again give the hockey program the priority it deserves!
Warthog said it, what big alum has donated a large sum of money to hockey lately. How about all of our former players in the NHL? Where are they? We haven't heard squat from any of em that I gather. You say we need a commitment from the university first , well why wait for them? How about all the alums with money that care so much about the program donate so the university has the money to buy out Paluch and start anew? BGSU is apparently going threw so hard times financially (as other schools are) and maybe are looking to cut the apparently least favored sport by the masses. I know you hockey fans here are die-hards like no other and you passion unmatched but there doesn't appear to be enough of you to make the difference that the university can see as a whole , and thats rather unfortunate. Personally , I'd love for BG to become a great basketball power like a Gonzaga. College basketball also gives us a legitimate chance competing for a NC via the Tourney. I'd almost prefer giving more resources to men's and women's basketball because of it. Cutting hockey at BG would be demoralizing to some of us yes, but other side is , we could sure bring up the level of our other main sports big time with the extra money which cost less anyway. Having said that though, I still hope hockey here can be saved if it is up for the chopping block like some believe , I just hope we can find the funds to do it right.
The coach's offices and lounge area as well as the locker room renovations were funded in large part be hockey alums. They matched what was raised in private donations. Go into the lounge and look around, you'll find their names there.Falconboy wrote:I'm sorta with Warthog with this one , although I have gone to several hockey games in my day. Yeah, it is great that we do go up against top notch competition week in and week out with the likes of OSU, Mich, MSU, ND but we haven't been at that level for eons. We probably have passed the threshold for being able to compete in highly in Div.1 college hockey here with our funds being split with more nationally popular sports in basketball and football. I do wish we could keep the hockey program alive but where are we gonna get the funds to keep it at the high level , ie higher pay for better coaches and assistants and better facilities to bring in the recruits we need to compete? The OSU's , ND's, MSU's and Michigans are huge universities with tons of rich alums making donations every year. How else can some of those schools pay close to a million dollars a year for their coaches? We just can't compete financially with them in this sport.bgpuckster wrote:So what sport do you love? If that were rumored to be dropped how would you feel? Name me the last major college sport that has won a national championship here at BG. What current sport brings Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame and Michigan State on campus to play? What other sport competes in a league with those teams? Football will never get any of those schools to come on campus and will never get a chance to compete for a national championship, ever! Basketball may have a slightly better shot at a national championship, but it still doesn't compete with the schools the hockey team does nor can bring them on campus. Further, the hockey team outdraws the basketball team pretty regularly still.
Bechstein has it right, the former players are waiting for the University to actually make an investment into the program before they will. How can Miami afford to field all three sports while having fewer students and BG can't? It's called priorities. It's time for this university to once again give the hockey program the priority it deserves!
Warthog said it, what big alum has donated a large sum of money to hockey lately. How about all of our former players in the NHL? Where are they? We haven't heard squat from any of em that I gather. You say we need a commitment from the university first , well why wait for them? How about all the alums with money that care so much about the program donate so the university has the money to buy out Paluch and start anew? BGSU is apparently going threw so hard times financially (as other schools are) and maybe are looking to cut the apparently least favored sport by the masses. I know you hockey fans here are die-hards like no other and you passion unmatched but there doesn't appear to be enough of you to make the difference that the university can see as a whole , and thats rather unfortunate. Personally , I'd love for BG to become a great basketball power like a Gonzaga. College basketball also gives us a legitimate chance competing for a NC via the Tourney. I'd almost prefer giving more resources to men's and women's basketball because of it. Cutting hockey at BG would be demoralizing to some of us yes, but other side is , we could sure bring up the level of our other main sports big time with the extra money which cost less anyway. Having said that though, I still hope hockey here can be saved if it is up for the chopping block like some believe , I just hope we can find the funds to do it right.
Yeah. Weird how hockey is a better pipeline to the NHL than basketball is.BGDrew wrote:If our AD is that blind to the fact that hockey outdraws basketball from a wide margin and has a much better pipeline to the NHL, I don't want anything to do with BGSU athletics anymore.
Now taking bids for who wants to handle this one... starting at $50. Do I hear $50? Can I get a $75?Falconboy wrote:The '84 Olympics were huge for US hockey when we won.
I don't really want to get in on this because I know things would just continue to spin out of control, but I don't think that really supports an argument to close a program. It does support making it better, doing something about it, but closing it seems nearly ludicrous from what you just said. Not trying to be undermining or anything, but even though the hockey team is still not doing as well as we want it to, people continue to go because of the love of the game. I'm not saying that other people are wrong in the financial reasons, but in my point of view I would be completely crushed. I am a student and have never missed a hockey game since I arrived three years ago. My plans get scheduled around hockey. That may sound weird to most people, but I always get new eyes on the game and I've met some amazing friends through the game.Falconboy wrote: I'm sorta with Warthog with this one , although I have gone to several hockey games in my day. Yeah, it is great that we do go up against top notch competition week in and week out with the likes of OSU, Mich, MSU, ND but we haven't been at that level for eons.
TG1996 wrote:Now taking bids for who wants to handle this one... starting at $50. Do I hear $50? Can I get a $75?Falconboy wrote:The '84 Olympics were huge for US hockey when we won.
