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bgsufalcon24 wrote:What I don't understand is why the university waited this long to announce that they were taking away McCoy's scholarship, if indeed this is over her DUI offense back in February. It just doesn't seem right that she be held in limbo for almost 3 months like this. If BGSU thought her transgression was severe enough to be worth a scholarship-strip, they should have done it immediately.

And if this is NOT over the DUI offense, then what could it be?

Oh yeah McGowan. She was so bad during the MAC tourney final, that her presence in the game might've cost us a trip to NCs. I never though Slagle's injury would have been so huge in the end. Good riddance.
Obviously by the last part of your post, you don't care about the women's basketball program so why ask questions.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I went to almost every women's home game this season. I follow their progress every game they play. I'm into this team moreso than any other BGSU team save football. For you to come out and say that I don't care about the program because of some post I made about a player at the end of the bench who was TERRIBLE, that's just plain ignorant. If you're such a bigger fan than me, which if you are I'll assume you were there in Cleveland for the MAC tourney final, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. Pontius was out for about 3 minutes early in the 2nd half. In that time, McGowan turned it over twice, threw up a near air-ball on her one shot attempt, and committed a foul or two. We were leading 31-26 at halftime and by the time Pontius got back in we were losing, I don't know by how much. It was the critical point in the game where Ball State took advantage, aside from the final minute where they got the back to back baskets to win it.

The point is, McGowan simply wasn't good enough to play for BGSU, which is why she's leaving. End of discussion. That's not me being a hard-ass, or being a jerk, that's simply stating the facts. And those of you criticizing Miller for his handling of African-American players are barking up the wrong tree on this one. This isn't a talented player like Murdaugh packing up and leaving because of personal or cultural difficulties. This is simply a case of a player not cutting it at DI and deciding to split. Skin color is irrelevant.

And as concerns McCoy, I do have a problem with the way the university and the program handled it. If you're going to revoke her scholarship and not let her try to make amends for her mistakes, why even let her back on the team for the rest of the current season? By letting her back on the squad, the program and the university essentially said that they were going to stand by her. They were going to do so with a short leash and any other problems would probably mean dismissal, but it seemed at the time that they were going to let her finish her eligibility. So why change course now? Did something else happen between then and now to cause the switch in the university's decision process?

My guess is that the university and the women's basketball program were never in sync on McCoy. Curt wanted to keep her, but the University didn't, and pulled the rug out on her, forcing her to leave.
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RE: McCoy
The BG men's team had this situation a few years ago and it played out exactly the same. John Floyd got a DUI, had his scholarship taken away but was allowed to stay on the roster. He decided to leave. It's probably university protocol to have waited until McCoy's hearing/trial and make decisions after that.
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bgsufalcon24 wrote:You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I went to almost every women's home game this season. I follow their progress every game they play. I'm into this team moreso than any other BGSU team save football. For you to come out and say that I don't care about the program because of some post I made about a player at the end of the bench who was TERRIBLE, that's just plain ignorant. If you're such a bigger fan than me, which if you are I'll assume you were there in Cleveland for the MAC tourney final, you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. Pontius was out for about 3 minutes early in the 2nd half. In that time, McGowan turned it over twice, threw up a near air-ball on her one shot attempt, and committed a foul or two. We were leading 31-26 at halftime and by the time Pontius got back in we were losing, I don't know by how much. It was the critical point in the game where Ball State took advantage, aside from the final minute where they got the back to back baskets to win it.

The point is, McGowan simply wasn't good enough to play for BGSU, which is why she's leaving. End of discussion. That's not me being a hard-ass, or being a jerk, that's simply stating the facts.
I never claimed myself as a bigger fan, so lets not start that. I don't care how many games you went to either. I saw you at most of them so I already knew that. If you truly cared about the program though, you'd know that everyone on that team respected McGowan. Every time she went back to the bench, no matter what her performance on the court was like, Miller had a talk with her and everyone else was there to cheer her on and get her mind back in the game and off the mistakes. She was a freshman that didn't get much playing time...that's rough to be put into a huge game like the MAC Championship with little experience and expect to pull the team out of a downhill slide! Yeah we were ahead, but the game had already started to slip.

If she stayed, there is no doubt in my mind should could have been a solid contributor off the bench. Wow, she made 2 bad plays. Instead of attacking her because she didn't perform at the level you wanted her to, why not realize she was put in a rough situation she wasn't ready for. That doesn't mean she can't play in this league and especially at BGSU, she just didn't have the confidence yet. One more year her for her and I'm sure Coach would have made that change happen. Maybe not caring is a bad word choice...disrespectful would be more suitable.

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I'm sure it would fall on deaf ears.


Thanks for the tip on John Floyd. He was not one of my favorite players, but now it makes perfect sense.

Regarding Niki. If indeed that was the policy, I'm sure the legal system didn't finish with her until the season ended, and that would explain the resolution. Her college career would end in December and I guess she would have been in graduate school come January anyway. Perhaps someone can enlighten us on the status of her scholarship on the year she sat out.

Regarding Victoria. She was no Porchia Green...yet. She had a sweet shot, when she took it, but being short and getting open was her problem. I think all players are stars in H.S. When they get here, it's a shock. Victoria went from being one of the top two players in school to the 13th or 14th player on BGSU behind a guard that took a quantum leap from her freshman to her sophomore year. I think she tried too hard. My friend who watched practices faithfully said she looked lost. She's talented and perhaps a D1 player, jsut not as a freshman and not at BG behind Pontius and Slagel and probably Nurse since Slagel is going to be questionable.

Whoever the "fan" is that said "good riddance". Please tell us where you work and what you do. I'll be happy to come over and critique your job and yell at you when you make a mistake. Yours is more critical, because I'm guessing you're older than 19.

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Regarding Niki. If indeed that was the policy, I'm sure the legal system didn't finish with her until the season ended, and that would explain the resolution. Her college career would end in December and I guess she would have been in graduate school come January anyway. Perhaps someone can enlighten us on the status of her scholarship on the year she sat out.


McCoy has one year of eligibility remaining ... she played two years at Akron, sat out 07-08 as a transfer and played in 08-09. Had she elected to stay on the team, she would've been able to play the entire 09-10 season.
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Metz wrote:I never claimed myself as a bigger fan, so lets not start that. I don't care how many games you went to either. I saw you at most of them so I already knew that. If you truly cared about the program though, you'd know that everyone on that team respected McGowan. Every time she went back to the bench, no matter what her performance on the court was like, Miller had a talk with her and everyone else was there to cheer her on and get her mind back in the game and off the mistakes. She was a freshman that didn't get much playing time...that's rough to be put into a huge game like the MAC Championship with little experience and expect to pull the team out of a downhill slide! Yeah we were ahead, but the game had already started to slip.

If she stayed, there is no doubt in my mind should could have been a solid contributor off the bench. Wow, she made 2 bad plays. Instead of attacking her because she didn't perform at the level you wanted her to, why not realize she was put in a rough situation she wasn't ready for. That doesn't mean she can't play in this league and especially at BGSU, she just didn't have the confidence yet. One more year her for her and I'm sure Coach would have made that change happen. Maybe not caring is a bad word choice...disrespectful would be more suitable.
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Thanks, Metz.

It kills me is that you would make such a ridiculous statement about Victoria, 24. It doesn't surprise me, but it bothers me anyway.

Yeah, she only played a few times and she wasn't a world-beater - yet. Go effing figure. She was a freshman. She hadn't had a ton of game time to learn the system and get her act together.

She reminded me of Jasmine McCall in a lot of ways. She was speedy and appeared to have talent, she just hadn't had a ton of chances to take control and hadn't yet figured out how to balance her speed and her talent. To talk that way about a player who committed a year of her life to BGSU and playing basketball here is ridiculous and, in my opinion, shameful.
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And as concerns McCoy, I do have a problem with the way the university and the program handled it. If you're going to revoke her scholarship and not let her try to make amends for her mistakes, why even let her back on the team for the rest of the current season? By letting her back on the squad, the program and the university essentially said that they were going to stand by her. They were going to do so with a short leash and any other problems would probably mean dismissal, but it seemed at the time that they were going to let her finish her eligibility. So why change course now? Did something else happen between then and now to cause the switch in the university's decision process?

My guess is that the university and the women's basketball program were never in sync on McCoy. Curt wanted to keep her, but the University didn't, and pulled the rug out on her, forcing her to leave.

The problem with your post was where you admitted "My guess". You have absolutely no idea as to what Curt Miller and the Athletic Department required of Niki (prior to her enrollment at BGSU and participation on the squad and the actions she was to complete while a member of the squad and enrolled at the university). Niki was not held in limbo by the university for three months. She knew her actions would have consequences and she elected not to return as a non-scholarship player. She will still be enrolled as she finished her degree, just not playing basketball anymore.

Contrary to popular belief, grants-in-aid (there is no such thing as an athletic scholarship) are for one year periods and may be renewed. The renewal of the grant is not required.

Your comments about Victoria McGowan and her leaving and "good riddance" was very mean-spririted towards a young lady who gave it her all as a Falcon. Your snotty attitude is one that is not taken well by many Falcon fans.
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Metz wrote:I'd love to see Curt Miller foot stomp on your face.
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Metz wrote:I never claimed myself as a bigger fan, so lets not start that. I don't care how many games you went to either. I saw you at most of them so I already knew that. If you truly cared about the program though, you'd know that everyone on that team respected McGowan. Every time she went back to the bench, no matter what her performance on the court was like, Miller had a talk with her and everyone else was there to cheer her on and get her mind back in the game and off the mistakes. She was a freshman that didn't get much playing time...that's rough to be put into a huge game like the MAC Championship with little experience and expect to pull the team out of a downhill slide! Yeah we were ahead, but the game had already started to slip.

If she stayed, there is no doubt in my mind should could have been a solid contributor off the bench. Wow, she made 2 bad plays. Instead of attacking her because she didn't perform at the level you wanted her to, why not realize she was put in a rough situation she wasn't ready for. That doesn't mean she can't play in this league and especially at BGSU, she just didn't have the confidence yet. One more year her for her and I'm sure Coach would have made that change happen. Maybe not caring is a bad word choice...disrespectful would be more suitable.
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Thanks, Metz.

It kills me is that you would make such a ridiculous statement about Victoria, 24. It doesn't surprise me, but it bothers me anyway.

Yeah, she only played a few times and she wasn't a world-beater - yet. Go effing figure. She was a freshman. She hadn't had a ton of game time to learn the system and get her act together.

She reminded me of Jasmine McCall in a lot of ways. She was speedy and appeared to have talent, she just hadn't had a ton of chances to take control and hadn't yet figured out how to balance her speed and her talent. To talk that way about a player who committed a year of her life to BGSU and playing basketball here is ridiculous and, in my opinion, shameful.
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Hey guys, you'll never believe it! I was on my way to the BA building to turn in my take home final exam this morning, and I ran into Curt Miller behind Anderson Arena. Apparently he reads azz.com all the time because he punched me in the face and then stomped on it! And then the rest of the women's team appeared behind him and they all took their shots, one by one, ending with McGowan herself, who proceeded to cut my balls off and throw them in the bushes. $100 to whoever finds them first, I'm sure they're hidden quite well in all that shrubbery.
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Metz wrote:
bgsufalcon24 wrote:What I don't understand is why the university waited this long to announce that they were taking away McCoy's scholarship, if indeed this is over her DUI offense back in February. It just doesn't seem right that she be held in limbo for almost 3 months like this. If BGSU thought her transgression was severe enough to be worth a scholarship-strip, they should have done it immediately.

And if this is NOT over the DUI offense, then what could it be?

Oh yeah McGowan. She was so bad during the MAC tourney final, that her presence in the game might've cost us a trip to NCs. I never though Slagle's injury would have been so huge in the end. Good riddance.
Why does it matter to you why they waited so long? Obviously by the last part of your post, you don't care about the women's basketball program so why ask questions. You look silly when you try to act like you're a hard ass and make these ridiculous comments that do nothing but slam the University, student athletes, and everything for that matter. I'd love to see Curt Miller foot stomp on your face.

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DustinXtreme wrote: i agree
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