Troy is coming in about a 6-point favorite over BG

[cowboyjoe]

Christopher signed him to a 2 year deal and then went back on his word...that is my point. We already are don't pay our head football coach anything here and now we have to pay Brandon as well as Clawson instead of sucking it up one more year with all of Brandon's recruits back for their senior season.

[Ineedbotox]

Troy is better than Mizzou, IMO

NOT. May be better than BG, but they are not better than Mizzou or any other Big 12 team. It is easy for everyone to be optimistic at this point since we have a lot of unknowns. If we can't even beat a Sun Belt team though, I hope all the rhetoric about us being anything more than a "mid-major" is firmly put to rest.

[michhiker28]

CowboyJoe,

I have nothing against Brandon. In fact, he might have even been a nice enough guy. I can't say, since I never met him personally. What I do know is that when my 11 year old daughter, whose idea of a football is round and supposed to be kicked into a net, can predict with 75% accuracy the play that is coming next it stands to reason that the opposing sideline can figure it out.

Similarly, when I am watching a game and we are up 27-7 in the fourth quarter and I still have a legitimate concern that we will find a way to lose (and we do), then yep, it's time to make a change.

--MH

[michhiker28]

Troy is better than Mizzou, IMO

NOT. May be better than BG, but they are not better than Mizzou or any other Big 12 team. It is easy for everyone to be optimistic at this point since we have a lot of unknowns. If we can't even beat a Sun Belt team though, I hope all the rhetoric about us being anything more than a "mid-major" is firmly put to rest.

WOW Ineed,
You sound like some of those "other" schools that I know.....if we can't even beat a MAC team......

Sheesh!

--MH

[hammb]

Troy is better than Mizzou, IMO

NOT. May be better than BG, but they are not better than Mizzou or any other Big 12 team. It is easy for everyone to be optimistic at this point since we have a lot of unknowns. If we can't even beat a Sun Belt team though, I hope all the rhetoric about us being anything more than a "mid-major" is firmly put to rest.

Spoken like a true fan of a BCS school...or the husband of a former BCS conference athlete. I know those BCS conference athletes go through their entire lives thinking every nonBCS school is automatically inferior to them, I mean of course they are, they're from the BCS conferences!

That being said your statement is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I will personally GUARANTEE you that Troy is not worse than all 12 teams in the Big 12 this year. Of course there's no way to prove it, since Troy doesn't play any Big 12 teams this year (I don't think). Regardless, your statement is just nuts. You honestly think that a team picked to be the favorite in the Sun Belt is automatically inferior to all of the Big 12. You're entitled to your opinion, I suppose, but you're wrong.

[Ineedbotox]

Hammb, you can disagree if you want. See how things play out. You may be right, or I may be. I'm still a BG fan. Unfortunately, it's a lot like rooting for the Browns. I just get sick of all the puffery like pretending we will go to a BCS bowl or pretending the Mac or Sun Belt are not crappy football conferences. It is what it is.

[h2oville rocket]

Iowa State. Hammb wins.

[hammb]

Hammb, you can disagree if you want. See how things play out. You may be right, or I may be. I'm still a BG fan. Unfortunately, it's a lot like rooting for the Browns. I just get sick of all the puffery like pretending we will go to a BCS bowl or pretending the Mac or Sun Belt are not crappy football conferences. It is what it is.

Oh I'm not here to blow any smoke about us going to a BCS bowl...we won't be.

I also don't deny the fact that, on the whole, the MAC & Sun Belt are crappy football conferences...they really are (as much as it pains me to admit). I'm also not denying the Big 12 is a great football conference. It's right with the SEC as the top 2, IMO.

That all being said, my only disagreement is the casual dismissal of Troy (or any other nonBCS team) as clearly inferior to every team in the Big 12. As H20 stated, Iowa State is brutal. I don't think they'd win more than a handful of games in the MAC.

I don't think for a minute Troy would be competing for the Big 12 title, but they wouldn't be the worst team in the conference either.

[Flipper]

Yep...the best team we've had in the last 10 years was the 2002 team...they were probably good enough to be the 4th-5th best Big 10 team that year...

[Falconfreak90]

Troy is better than Mizzou, IMO

NOT. May be better than BG, but they are not better than Mizzou or any other Big 12 team. It is easy for everyone to be optimistic at this point since we have a lot of unknowns. If we can't even beat a Sun Belt team though, I hope all the rhetoric about us being anything more than a "mid-major" is firmly put to rest.

You need to do some homework, Botox. Troy is a much better team than you give them credit...why they even beat the Mizzou Tigers a few years ago and they've only been in 1-A (FBS for you politically correct types) since 2000, I believe. They will be a challenge for every team on their sked this year....except maybe the Florida Gators.

Every conference has its weak links...the Big 12's are Iowa State, Baylor and most recently, Texas A&M.

And by the way, BG is a very respectable 4-6 vs the Big 12 over the years...including a 3-1 mark vs Mizzou. The last time BG played the Tigers, Mizzou left Doyt Perry stadium on the short end of a 51-28 azz beating. Yeah, I'm sure Gary Stinkel doesn't forget that.

You sound like the typical BCS fan....

Also, rooting for BG is like rooting for the Browns??? What a crock. BG actually wins games and goes to the post season at times. The Browns? Please. The only thing that makes them similar are the team colors, which the Browns adopted FROM BGSU.

[Falconfreak90]

Yep...the best team we've had in the last 10 years was the 2002 team...they were probably good enough to be the 4th-5th best Big 10 team that year...

As the 2003 team would have been.

[Ineedbotox]

I think I am proving my point that some of you are delusional based on the responses to my posts on this. If any of you (or your sons were offered scholarships at Troy vs. Iowa State, none of you would choose to play in the Sun Belt conference. My main point is that if we fall below Troy and the Sun Belt, it is going to be a sad sad day for BG and Mac football.

[Falconfreak90]

The Sun Belt isn't as bad as you think. Yes I think the MAC is still better overall but the SB is improving every year.

[Warthog]

I think I am proving my point that some of you are delusional based on the responses to my posts on this. If any of you (or your sons were offered scholarships at Troy vs. Iowa State, none of you would choose to play in the Sun Belt conference. My main point is that if we fall below Troy and the Sun Belt, it is going to be a sad sad day for BG and Mac football.

I think you are wrong there. There are plenty of kids that get offers from BCS schools that got to MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA/etc schools. Some kids would rather actually have a chance to play for a championship team than on a team that has to schedule Podunk St just to ensure they don't do winless. It's not always about the size of the school.

And I would remind my son that co-eds at Troy are wearing short-shorts while those in Ames are wearing mittens and parkas. Take your pick.

[michhiker28]

I think I am proving my point that some of you are delusional based on the responses to my posts on this. If any of you (or your sons were offered scholarships at Troy vs. Iowa State, none of you would choose to play in the Sun Belt conference. My main point is that if we fall below Troy and the Sun Belt, it is going to be a sad sad day for BG and Mac football.

Since they probably aren't going to the NFL from eithe of those schools, if those are the only offers that they recieved then I would encourage MY son to attend the school where they were the most comfortable, and where the program that they were interested in pursuing was stronger.....so actually Mr. Botox, yeah, I might pick Troy over Iowa State.

--MH