Ineedbotox wrote:Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Ineedbotox wrote:
NOT. May be better than BG, but they are not better than Mizzou or any other Big 12 team.
Just so the original argument doesn't get lost in all of Botox's misdirection.
Do you want to actually argue this point, or just admit it was a really dumb thing to say? Plenty of people have given reasoning as to why Troy would not be the worst team in the Big 12. Do you have any reasoning as to why you think they would be besides "the sun belt sucks"?
Disagree with me all you want, but you don't need to insult me or attack me or call me "crazy," that I "don't know anything about CFB", or that I type "retarded things." Great arguments on your part, really.
My opinion is that Missouri is a much better football team than Troy. I also stated that I felt any team in the Big 12 was better than Troy. That's my opinion. Troy wins games because they play a bunch of other lower tier teams. The Big 12 teams play Top 20 teams week in, week out. The players have more size, speed, and so on, and so on. That's why they were recruited to play on BCS teams. You can throw out whatever you want. I am not "misdirecting" things when I answer all the bull thrown out because people disagree with me.
So no, I don't think my original statement was a "really dumb thing to say" but thanks for all your kind words.
I don't like to resort to personal insults but your comments ARE crazy. And I have no idea how much you know about college football on the whole, but your point certainly makes any rational person question your football knowledge. There isn't an expert in the country that would say that every team in the Big 12 is better than Troy. Nor would any so called expert claim that the players on all of those lesser Big 12 programs have more size, speed, etc than Troy. As I pointed out in the past 5-6 years or so DeMarcus Ware & Osi Umenyiora are both Troy products that are far superior to any player out of Baylor or Iowa State in that same time frame. In terms of raw numbers Troy has more NFL players in total than either of those programs as well. If the players at those schools truly had more size, speed, etc, but were only losing by virtue of their competition level, you'd still see them showing up in the NFL.
As to Troy only winning games because they don't play anybody they beat Oklahoma State in '07, what conference do they play in?
Again, I'm not arguing that Troy would be competing for Big 12 championships, simply that they are better than the Big12 bottom teams. Your argument is completely clouded by Big 12 (or BCS conference) elitism. It has absolutely no basis in reality, and there isn't any truly knowledgeable college football fan that would try to make that argument. So yeah, we question your college football expertise, not because you're a woman, but because of the very argument you're trying to make. You have clearly stated, and reiterated, that you believe EVERY team in the Big 12 is automatically better than EVERY team in the Sun Belt. We're all entitled to our opinions, but I think yours is completely off base and you'd be VERY hard pressed to find anything to back it up.
When comparing Troy to Iowa State & Baylor, look at the facts. Troy wins more football games. Troy puts more players in the NFL. Troy puts more top tier (high draft picks) players in the NFL. Every college football ranking imaginable has Troy ranked above both of them. Hell Troy is even getting one vote in the current coach's top 25 poll. While most complete rankings have Iowa State in the bottom 10.
So, I ask what is your evidence? You claim that we're calling you a girl and not respecting your knowledge, prove to us why we should. Do you have ANYTHING substantial to back up your claim that Iowa State and Baylor are better teams than Troy? I'm sorry, but the "They're in the Big 12 so automatically superior to all Sun Belt teams" card won't play when you start an argument with knowledgeable fans, and that's what you've found here.
