Freddie Versus Sharon, Sanders & Manger

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Metz wrote:
BGFootball wrote: I have never personally seen Jeter juke
I saw Chuck Sharon fake out a rabbit with a juke and scoop it up once...talk about speed!
Sharon was from Florida too wasn't he?

I saw a thing on SportsCenter once a few years ago that talked about HS athletes in Florida doing that a lot. Apparently it's a popular game down there. Amazing to watch really.
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But was he faster than Rocky in Rocky II? He was a greasy-fast eye-talian tank. Is it harder to catch a rabbit or a chicken?
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"Another player I would like to bring up is Jason Rice. Last year he only played in a few games but from what I saw of him I was amazed and excited for what the future might bring with him. Some of the jukes he made and his raw speed was great, almost comparable with Jeter but I haven't seen him this year in fact I thought I saw him playing defense."


Hey LowryFalcon, Don't waste your time talking about what has happened to Jason Rice on this site. I brought it up at the beginning of the season and know one wants to talk about what happened to him. They just want to brush the topic under the rug. He should be out there at the running back position for sure. The things he did last year and he is no where to be found this year.
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Magner was the man. He always came up the biggest against the best competition. Go back and look at his stats against the three big ten teams we played in 2003. He might have been honorable mention all big ten with just those three games :)
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CowboyJoe, I was just simply bringing him up. I believe that clawson is running this program the way it should be and if that doesn't include rice at running back than so be it.
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Rice didn't even have 20 carries last year...never has a player with such a limited stat line generated so much angst
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Sorry just skimmed the previous posts.


Has anyone made the point that Barnes has no running game? We are definately in a golden age of recievers at BG but we avg less than 70 yards a game rushing. Pope and lane were good backs. Josh and Omar were threats to run at any time. Freddie is beating double and tripple coverage. And as far as awards, none of those guys were first team all MAC. Freddie has a shot this year.
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reyray82 wrote:Sorry just skimmed the previous posts.


Has anyone made the point that Barnes has no running game? We are definately in a golden age of recievers at BG but we avg less than 70 yards a game rushing. Pope and lane were good backs. Josh and Omar were threats to run at any time. Freddie is beating double and tripple coverage. And as far as awards, none of those guys were first team all MAC. Freddie has a shot this year.
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cowboyjoe wrote:"Another player I would like to bring up is Jason Rice. Last year he only played in a few games but from what I saw of him I was amazed and excited for what the future might bring with him. Some of the jukes he made and his raw speed was great, almost comparable with Jeter but I haven't seen him this year in fact I thought I saw him playing defense."


Hey LowryFalcon, Don't waste your time talking about what has happened to Jason Rice on this site. I brought it up at the beginning of the season and know one wants to talk about what happened to him. They just want to brush the topic under the rug. He should be out there at the running back position for sure. The things he did last year and he is no where to be found this year.

Gentlemen: I believe if you look at the roster, you'll see that Rice is listed as a LB.... Yes, he looked really good during his outing vs KSU last year prior to being injured...perhaps that's why he isn't a RB any longer. :roll:
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cowboyjoe wrote:"Another player I would like to bring up is Jason Rice. Last year he only played in a few games but from what I saw of him I was amazed and excited for what the future might bring with him. Some of the jukes he made and his raw speed was great, almost comparable with Jeter but I haven't seen him this year in fact I thought I saw him playing defense."


Hey LowryFalcon, Don't waste your time talking about what has happened to Jason Rice on this site. I brought it up at the beginning of the season and know one wants to talk about what happened to him. They just want to brush the topic under the rug. He should be out there at the running back position for sure. The things he did last year and he is no where to be found this year.

Gentlemen: I believe if you look at the roster, you'll see that Rice is listed as a LB.... Yes, he looked really good during his outing vs KSU last year prior to being injured...perhaps that's why he isn't a RB any longer. :roll:

Exactly. Just because we have not seen Rice at RB this year doesn't mean the coaches haven't evaluated him at the positition. I trust their judgement...get over it...
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Relax guys...facts are facts. We have an anemic running game and no one to answer the questions that I mentioned. No, I am not going to get over it. I don't have to like the fact that we run a 175 lb RB into the line game after game and carry after carry and average 2.4 yards per attempt. You guys "get over" the fact that I can be upset over that.
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As I had said earlier I believe in coach clawsons choice for the running game. I was just wondering what happened to Rice and now that I know a little more I put that subject to rest.
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cowboyjoe wrote:Relax guys...facts are facts. We have an anemic running game and no one to answer the questions that I mentioned. No, I am not going to get over it. I don't have to like the fact that we run a 175 lb RB into the line game after game and carry after carry and average 2.4 yards per attempt. You guys "get over" the fact that I can be upset over that.
See, the problem is, people have answered your question, but you just don't want to accept the answer. The coaching staff has placed Rice in the position they think he can best help the team in. That's why you don't see him running the ball. I've said it a few times, and so have several others. But you'd rather ignore that so you can whine and cry about how nobody answers your questions. Contrary to what you may want to believe, the collected football coaching staff of Bowling Green knows a lot more about this game than you do and thus are much better suited to evaluate the best use of a given player.

Yes, our running game is kinda weak this year. But that is not because we haven't put Rice in to run the ball. It's just a fact that the players available aren't the next Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. The team is playing to the best of their ability and unfortunately, that ability isn't as strong as some of us might like in the running dept. Now this is not a slight against Geter or Bullock, or any other particular players for that matter. It's just a fact that our passing game this year is simply that much stronger than our running game.

All that being said, we are 2-1 in MAC play, and this program looks to be headed in a good direction for the years to come. It wasn't going to be an immediate glorious turnaround, but things do finally appear to be headed in the right direction again.
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How about our offensive line? Brandon recruited linemen who fit the pass first offense, not the three yards and a cloud of dust offense. As Clawson has said multiple times, he'll make an offense that utilizes the best playmakers and such is clearly the case. Our line is not built to allow the kind of run game he'd like to have, so they designed an offense that is working just fine so far. Give it time - we'll have a dominant run game in future years.
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cowboyjoe wrote:Relax guys...facts are facts. We have an anemic running game and no one to answer the questions that I mentioned. No, I am not going to get over it. I don't have to like the fact that we run a 175 lb RB into the line game after game and carry after carry and average 2.4 yards per attempt. You guys "get over" the fact that I can be upset over that.
We could be rushing Jerome Bettis into that line and it wouldn't matter. What you fail to mention is that Geter, who you seem to detest, is actually averaging the BEST yards per attempt on our team by a full half yard. Your little pet project? Bullock is averaging 3.4 yards per carry (to Geter's 3.9) and a full 21% of his total season yardage came on ONE carry this past Saturday. Going into the game he was averaging only 2.7 yards per carry.

The running game sucks, but Willie Geter is NOT the reason why. This offensive line can NOT open holes for the run game. Geter has had some success because he can cut back against the grain, and that's where the bulk of his yardage seems to come from. Unfortunately it has been pretty rare for our OL to create a hole that would allow a back to hit it right away. With this OL a cutback runner is almost a necessity, and Geter can do that.

I really don't know what your agenda is. You keep spouting off that you're deathly afraid we're going to become this straight ahead run team and stop throwing the ball around. Now that we're super pass heavy and can't really run the ball you're whining about the running game because we're using the RB that best fits your wide open pass happy offense that you supposedly loved!? Oh and as to that wonderful 2.4 yards per carry, that is because we just don't run it that often. With so few attempts Tyler's sacks (which count as rushes in college stats) have greatly skewed our team rushing stats. Like I said our 2 main RBs are averaging 3.9 & 3.4 ypc. That's not good, but it's not quite as anemic as you're making it sound.
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