[quote="Flipper"]Innocence and guilt are tough terms to define when a group of college kids are out on the town and charges like disorderly conduct are being proffered. quote]
Proffered...can you do that to a cat, too?
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Bleeding Orange wrote:If every institution was as rigid and insane as MACMAN would like the football program to be, I never would have made it out of elementary school.
You couldn't keep your pants on in elementary school either?!?!?
Let's just say it's been a lifelong problem. A natural aversion, if you will.
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Bleeding Orange wrote:If every institution was as rigid and insane as MACMAN would like the football program to be, I never would have made it out of elementary school.
You couldn't keep your pants on in elementary school either?!?!?
Let's just say it's been a lifelong problem. A natural aversion, if you will.
I think somebody was guilty of having watched too much porn.
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BGDrew wrote:Innocent men don't take plea bargains.
Really?
Innocent of what? Assault or Disorderly Conduct?
I doubt you are a lawyer and you are certainly not Kevin's lawyer so I don't see how you can even justify coming to that conclusion in this case.
Are you kidding? If you've been charged with assault and you know you're innocent you would just take a plea offer?
Depends, I guess. If you happen to be a college kid with a two-bit lawyer, and are up against an aggressive, ideological prosecutor in a hearsay case, they yeah, maybe.
I'm not saying that this was the case at all, only that it is well within the realm of possibilities.
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It is not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work - work with us, not over us; stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it. ~Ronald Reagan
Check out the 14th ammendment to that little piece of paper in your avatar, then I would suggest you ammend your statement to "If found guilty of xyz he should be out of the program."
You have to be extremely careful in he/said she/said cases.
Unlike the word "gun" the words "due" and "process" actually appear in the United States constitution.
LOL The Constitution plays no bearing on this violation of team code conduct.
But I forget, guys who go for the beat down on others for dating their exgirlfriends, smoke pot and and now ass grabbers are just he kinds of people we want in the ORANGE AND BLACK...brown...
This was clearly just another case of the 1st Amendment..where by the player was expressing himself..
yea...totally worthy of the "guaranteed" 2nd chance.
BGDrew wrote:
Are you kidding? If you've been charged with assault and you know you're innocent you would just take a plea offer?
Here's one for you -
You face a felony charge of assault and battery and are looking at 3 years in PRISON (not your county jail). It will cost you over $5000 for an attorney if the case goes to trial and it will take approximately one week to hear. The DA tells you he has you dead to rights and is extremely positive about his case making. The Grand Jury has indicted you (just like they would a bologna sandwich). Your name is appearing in the local newspaper (and your co-workers are talking about you both in front of you and behind your back). The DA tells you that he is willing to make a deal with you since this is your first time - take the deal and the charge is knocked down to a misdemeanor and you pay a $150 fine and get six months probation. Or you can try to beat the charge in court, but I have enough DNA evidence and eye witnesses that I can convict you of the Nicole Brown Simpson slaying and send you to jail. And that pretty little wife of yours will be bawling here eyes out for the next three years as your butt is being traded for a pack of smokes on a nightly basis.
What would you do?
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BGDrew wrote:
Are you kidding? If you've been charged with assault and you know you're innocent you would just take a plea offer?
Here's one for you -
You face a felony charge of assault and battery and are looking at 3 years in PRISON (not your county jail). It will cost you over $5000 for an attorney if the case goes to trial and it will take approximately one week to hear. The DA tells you he has you dead to rights and is extremely positive about his case making. The Grand Jury has indicted you (just like they would a bologna sandwich). Your name is appearing in the local newspaper (and your co-workers are talking about you both in front of you and behind your back). The DA tells you that he is willing to make a deal with you since this is your first time - take the deal and the charge is knocked down to a misdemeanor and you pay a $150 fine and get six months probation. Or you can try to beat the charge in court, but I have enough DNA evidence and eye witnesses that I can convict you of the Nicole Brown Simpson slaying and send you to jail. And that pretty little wife of yours will be bawling here eyes out for the next three years as your butt is being traded for a pack of smokes on a nightly basis.
What would you do?
Hand out Nicorette to my cellmates?
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BGDrew wrote:
And that pretty little wife of yours will be bawling here eyes out for the next three years as your butt is being traded for a pack of smokes on a nightly basis.
What would you do?
Hand out Nicorette to my cellmates?
They're tired of Nick (or Nicorette , if that's what he goes by- whatever gets you through the night). They want YOU, now. Nicorette is last week's punk.
BGDrew wrote:
And that pretty little wife of yours will be bawling here eyes out for the next three years as your butt is being traded for a pack of smokes on a nightly basis.
What would you do?
Hand out Nicorette to my cellmates?
They're tired of Nick (or Nicorette , if that's what he goes by- whatever gets you through the night). They want YOU, now. Nicorette is last week's punk.
I would calmly, and rationally, explain to my cellmates that I am not gay and do not wish to have carnal knowledge of anyone within the prison. I'm sure that the guys would honor your request.
BGDrew wrote:
And that pretty little wife of yours will be bawling here eyes out for the next three years as your butt is being traded for a pack of smokes on a nightly basis.
What would you do?
Hand out Nicorette to my cellmates?
They're tired of Nick (or Nicorette , if that's what he goes by- whatever gets you through the night). They want YOU, now. Nicorette is last week's punk.
I would calmly, and rationally, explain to my cellmates that I am not gay and do not wish to have carnal knowledge of anyone within the prison. I'm sure that the guys would honor your request.
BGDrew wrote:
And that pretty little wife of yours will be bawling here eyes out for the next three years as your butt is being traded for a pack of smokes on a nightly basis.
What would you do?
Hand out Nicorette to my cellmates?
They're tired of Nick (or Nicorette , if that's what he goes by- whatever gets you through the night). They want YOU, now. Nicorette is last week's punk.
I would calmly, and rationally, explain to my cellmates that I am not gay and do not wish to have carnal knowledge of anyone within the prison. I'm sure that the guys would honor your request.
What are you guys even talking about?
Move along. There's nothing to see here.
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