Freddie in East-West Shrine Game

[1987alum]

Couldn't resist - had to answer my own question.

You have to go back to 1990 to find a year when two Falcons got drafted.

5th Round (#116) Reggie Thornton - Minnesota Vikings
6th Round (#155) Ron Heard - Pittsburgh Steelers
8th Round (#210) Derrick Carr - New Orleans Saints

[tiznow]

Couldn't resist - had to answer my own question.

You have to go back to 1990 to find a year when two Falcons got drafted.

5th Round (#116) Reggie Thornton - Minnesota Vikings
6th Round (#155) Ron Heard - Pittsburgh Steelers
8th Round (#210) Derrick Carr - New Orleans Saints

Brings back some memories. That was Moe's team. Talent, but didn't play as a team. Derrick Carr would dominate some plays but would be non existent most of the time.
Heard and Thornton were a fun wr duo to watch. Heard was doing well in camp with the Steelers and then got injured.

[cph2133]

Congrats to Freddie. Do BG proud.

On Tyler, I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't get a chance at a combine, but wouldn't be shocked if he got drafted. I feel like QBs are kinda like goalies in hockey and LHPs in baseball. Take one every year or so because you just never know how they're going to pan out. (Fun fact, of the top 25 goalies in terms of saves this season, 3 were undrafted, 10 round 4+, 12 round 1-3). I bet similar numbers would be for QBs too, so I wouldn't be shocked if he were to get nabbed and stashed on a taxi squad somewhere.

[Rollo83]

Would you really say that Nate Davis and Charlie Frye were better MAC quarterbacks than Tyler Sheehan? You can certainly argue Tyler's case and not be embarassed in that debate. His stats were better than those two...and both are currently on NFL rosters. At 6'4" he has the size NFL teams covet. I honestly think he'll get a look somewhere, but maybe not drafted.

[AZZZZ]

I watched the Bowl game at a local bar surrounded by some OSU fans (of course) but two of them saw me in my orange pull-over and tapped me on the shoulder..."Has your QB always been that accurate?" I guess here in Cleveland we forget what on-target throws look like.

Given who's still playing in the NFL...Frye, Gradkowski, etc. I think Tyler could/should get an opportunity.

Just my opinion.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

He might get a camp invite somewhere, but he's going to struggle when it comes to making a roster. He was great for us, but in terms of what it takes to succeed in the NFL, he's just not talented enough. It's a testament to him he was able to put up the numbers he did in a BG uniform. He truly got the most out of his talent.

[Class of 61]

All 3 are WAY ahead of Sheehan in terms of prospect status.

I read a LOT of draft stuff and I don't think I've seen Sheehan's name mentioned once anywhere.

I actually saw a seven round mock draft that had him going in the fifth round, just a few picks after Freddie.

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So this "draft" shows Freddie as the 10th WR , and Tyler as the 9th QB to be taken (3 of which are MAC QB's)... interesting to read, even if it doesn't come true.

[TG1996]

The BG News guys shared this story on their Twitter feed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/stor ... -prospects" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The first paragraph about the East practice (and the pic to go with it) are just awesome.

[hammb]

The BG News guys shared this story on their Twitter feed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/stor ... -prospects" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The first paragraph about the East practice (and the pic to go with it) are just awesome.

Awesome to hear!

I've got the game set on DVR. I want to see what Freddie does in this one, and I REALLY want to see Skelton play.

I have no doubts Freddie will make us proud, dude doesn't quit.

[Class of 61]

The BG News guys shared this story on their Twitter feed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/stor ... -prospects" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The first paragraph about the East practice (and the pic to go with it) are just awesome.

Awesome to hear!

I've got the game set on DVR. I want to see what Freddie does in this one, and I REALLY want to see Skelton play.

I have no doubts Freddie will make us proud, dude doesn't quit.

Sad part of this is that Freddie isn't invited to combine but TWO MAC WR's are: Kid from UT is good, and the OU kid is too, but neither comes close to the numbers Freddie's put up this/Last season... I know, he's "too slow"... just manages to get open and free from DB's even though he's been double teamed most of the year as our go to guy.

[ktrain]

sheehan will get drafted... lets not forget the reason Omar did not make any roster was because he could not memorize a play book to save his life. This is not an assumption...a fact from the Steeler staff...and also a former falcon football player. Sheehan can thread the needle...he can work on his long ball and has the smarts to get the playbook down. Hes a big guy that can make things happen. I would not count him out.

[hammb]

The BG News guys shared this story on their Twitter feed:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/stor ... -prospects" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The first paragraph about the East practice (and the pic to go with it) are just awesome.

Awesome to hear!

I've got the game set on DVR. I want to see what Freddie does in this one, and I REALLY want to see Skelton play.

I have no doubts Freddie will make us proud, dude doesn't quit.

Sad part of this is that Freddie isn't invited to combine but TWO MAC WR's are: Kid from UT is good, and the OU kid is too, but neither comes close to the numbers Freddie's put up this/Last season... I know, he's "too slow"... just manages to get open and free from DB's even though he's been double teamed most of the year as our go to guy.

First of all the invite list is not yet finalized. None of the 3 guys mentioned in this thread are even the best WR prospect in the MAC. That honor goes to CMU's Antonio Brown. I am surprised Barnes didn't get an immediate invite though, seems odd given his insane production. That just shows you how far he has to go to prove himself in the eyes of scouts.

Unfortunately, the NFL draft is not about production. Freddie had tons of production, but it's more about projection, they need to determine who will be able to play in the NFL. The thing with Barnes is that he just got open all season. I don't know how he did it, but he did. He makes good cuts in his routes and can beat DBs...at the collegiate level. Unfortunately he doesn't have great speed, he doesn't have great size, and he doesn't have great hands. He also played in a spread system that wasn't asking him to run the same routes he would in the NFL.

Barnes was awesome for us this year, and I think he could turn some heads at the Shrine game. I also think that he's a good candidate to still get an invite to the combine, especially if he has a good performance this week. Still, as an NFL fan would I want the Browns to draft him? Nope, not really. I'd rather have Brown or Price just if I'm taking WRs from the MAC. Barnes is an easy guy to root for since he's a hard worker and good kid, but he doesn't have a real high ceiling.

[hammb]

sheehan will get drafted... lets not forget the reason Omar did not make any roster was because he could not memorize a play book to save his life. This is not an assumption...a fact from the Steeler staff...and also a former falcon football player. Sheehan can thread the needle...he can work on his long ball and has the smarts to get the playbook down. Hes a big guy that can make things happen. I would not count him out.

I think Sheehan's shots of getting drafted are only slightly greater than yours or mine.

If ANYBODY thought he was a draftable prospect he'd have an invite to the combine or a senior all star game by now.

Personally having watched almost every game he's played at BG I cannot fathom the thought of him in the NFL. Yeah Omar couldn't memorize a playbook. Well Omar was about a billion times more decisive with his reads in college than Sheehan. Sheehan may be able to memorize the playbook, but I've seen nothing in his college career to make me believe he could make the reads and adjust to the speed of the NFL game. As far as I'm concerned he never really adjusted to the speed of the collegiate game, consistently staring down receivers and delivering late passes all the way through his senior year. It worked because he always had tremendous pass protection, and some pretty good WRs, in his 4 years here. Sorry, I don't see any NFL talent in him.

[Flipper]

If Freddie can run in the 4.6 range in the 40 he'll get drafted and get a shot. If he can then show an ability to contribute on special teams, he has a shot in the NFL. I think he can be a contributor as slot WR...not as a first or second option in anyone's offense...but as a slot guy in a trips or 4 WR set. You don't have to have great straight line speed to be a good slot WR. Get in and out of your routes quickly and catch the ball.....

I think that the whole concept of the 40 time is becoming a joke anyway. The guys with the resources get hooked up with trainers who polish their sprinting technique. Much of it never translates into what they do on a football field because running a straight sprint and running a route are vastly different things 95% of the time.

[hammb]

If Freddie can run in the 4.6 range in the 40 he'll get drafted and get a shot. If he can then show an ability to contribute on special teams, he has a shot in the NFL. I think he can be a contributor as slot WR...not as a first or second option in anyone's offense...but as a slot guy in a trips or 4 WR set. You don't have to have great straight line speed to be a good slot WR. Get in and out of your routes quickly and catch the ball.....

I think that the whole concept of the 40 time is becoming a joke anyway. The guys with the resources get hooked up with trainers who polish their sprinting technique. Much of it never translates into what they do on a football field because running a straight sprint and running a route are vastly different things 95% of the time.

Oh I agree with you completely. I do think Freddie could be a contributor on an NFL team. I also fully expect him to get drafted, which is why I'm really surprised he didn't get a combine invite. I could see him used very similarly to how NE uses Wes Welker, lots of underneath easy catches.

I also fully agree that 40 times are a joke. Running in shorts does not necessarily translate to running routes in full pads on a football field. And as you said a lot of guys train with speed coaches just to become better sprinters and post a better 40 time, but that's not going to help them as much on the football field.

My point with Barnes is that he just doesn't have a high ceiling, so he's not going to be as highly regarded as those other MAC WRs who are probably better raw athletes than Freddie. I would expect Barnes to have a better career than at least one of Brown or Price, but I don't think he'll be drafted before either of them, nor would I want my team to draft him before either of them.