Recruiting

[Globetrotter]

I bet I can find a similar post about every recruiting class. Thats what scares me.

[falcononamission]

How timely is this news given the topic of this thread!

Keith McLeod Named To Mid-Major All-Decade Team
http://bgsufalcons.com/news/2010/1/4/MB ... 05100.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dakich recruited McLeod and beat out Bob Huggins and Cincy to get him out of Canton. He made an immediate impact and graduated as MAC Player of the Year! Went on to the NBA! Now he's named to the all-decade team!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you'll never get a better basketball coach at BG than Dakich. Poor facilities, small budget and a football/hockey school, yet he won a MAC Championship (when the MAC was good!), coached 2 MAC Players of the Year, numerous All-MAC players & future pros - NBA & overseas. BG won last year WITH Dakich's recruits. Let me know when Orr gets a kid like McLeod, Matela, Pardon, Reimold, Almondson, Lewis, Samarco or coaches a kid like Stacey to MAC player of the year status. Y'all ran him off cuz he was tough on players and they transferred. Now you're realizing how good he truly was.
Stroh is the only hope for bringing recruits in, but remember that Dakich did it with the worst facility in the league!
As the song says..."Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got til it's gone"???????

[hammb]

How timely is this news given the topic of this thread!

Keith McLeod Named To Mid-Major All-Decade Team
http://bgsufalcons.com/news/2010/1/4/MB ... 05100.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dakich recruited McLeod and beat out Bob Huggins and Cincy to get him out of Canton. He made an immediate impact and graduated as MAC Player of the Year! Went on to the NBA! Now he's named to the all-decade team!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you'll never get a better basketball coach at BG than Dakich. Poor facilities, small budget and a football/hockey school, yet he won a MAC Championship (when the MAC was good!), coached 2 MAC Players of the Year, numerous All-MAC players & future pros - NBA & overseas. BG won last year WITH Dakich's recruits. Let me know when Orr gets a kid like McLeod, Matela, Pardon, Reimold, Almondson, Lewis, Samarco or coaches a kid like Stacey to MAC player of the year status. Y'all ran him off cuz he was tough on players and they transferred. Now you're realizing how good he truly was.
Stroh is the only hope for bringing recruits in, but remember that Dakich did it with the worst facility in the league!
As the song says..."Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got til it's gone"???????

Hi Dan! I think we know what your mission is

What you fail to remember is that the All MAC talent that Dakich did recruit (and he didn't recruit Stacey) was mostly before the move to WVU. Dan hadn't been able to consistently win in the last years he was here, and his recruiting had been sub par as well. The good recruits he did land, he couldn't keep on board. He was rigidly tied to a man to man defensive scheme and motion offense, which often prohibited him from getting the most of his players. Not to mention the fact that he had players actively telling recruits to NOT come play here for him.

Dan was a fantastic coach in his first stretch at BG, we'd be hard pressed to find somebody as good. But the last 3-4 years here were NOT good. His teams were at the top of the MAC in the early 2000s, then as the MAC got worse, his teams lost ground to the pack.

I don't know that Orr is the guy to that will get us in the dance, but I'm positive that Dakich wasn't either. I also fully believe we wouldn't have even won the regular season MAC title last year with Dan at the helm. Obviously no way to substantiate that claim, but last year's success was mostly driven by a stifling zone defense, and we all know Dakich would not have been willing to rely on a zone defense.

[tiznow]

How timely is this news given the topic of this thread!

Keith McLeod Named To Mid-Major All-Decade Team
http://bgsufalcons.com/news/2010/1/4/MB ... 05100.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dakich recruited McLeod and beat out Bob Huggins and Cincy to get him out of Canton. He made an immediate impact and graduated as MAC Player of the Year! Went on to the NBA! Now he's named to the all-decade team!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you'll never get a better basketball coach at BG than Dakich. Poor facilities, small budget and a football/hockey school, yet he won a MAC Championship (when the MAC was good!), coached 2 MAC Players of the Year, numerous All-MAC players & future pros - NBA & overseas. BG won last year WITH Dakich's recruits. Let me know when Orr gets a kid like McLeod, Matela, Pardon, Reimold, Almondson, Lewis, Samarco or coaches a kid like Stacey to MAC player of the year status. Y'all ran him off cuz he was tough on players and they transferred. Now you're realizing how good he truly was.
Stroh is the only hope for bringing recruits in, but remember that Dakich did it with the worst facility in the league!
As the song says..."Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got til it's gone"???????

Hi Dan! I think we know what your mission is

What you fail to remember is that the All MAC talent that Dakich did recruit (and he didn't recruit Stacey) was mostly before the move to WVU. Dan hadn't been able to consistently win in the last years he was here, and his recruiting had been sub par as well. The good recruits he did land, he couldn't keep on board. He was rigidly tied to a man to man defensive scheme and motion offense, which often prohibited him from getting the most of his players. Not to mention the fact that he had players actively telling recruits to NOT come play here for him.

Dan was a fantastic coach in his first stretch at BG, we'd be hard pressed to find somebody as good. But the last 3-4 years here were NOT good. His teams were at the top of the MAC in the early 2000s, then as the MAC got worse, his teams lost ground to the pack.

I don't know that Orr is the guy to that will get us in the dance, but I'm positive that Dakich wasn't either. I also fully believe we wouldn't have even won the regular season MAC title last year with Dan at the helm. Obviously no way to substantiate that claim, but last year's success was mostly driven by a stifling zone defense, and we all know Dakich would not have been willing to rely on a zone defense.

Coach Dakich does read this message board.

[Globetrotter]

I think HammB makes a great point.

DakichBWV was an incredible coach.
DakichAWV couldnt win back over the team and was not a good coach for our system.

Why does needing to replace a coach make him a bad coach? Dakich was a good coach...and we needed to move on.

[JWEIII]

I was thinking about this last night, and I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong: None of the names that people are throwing around really contributed to scoring until they were juniors or seniors. Reimond Smarco and Miller transfered to BG as juniors (I know Nate played half of his sophmore year) so it's not really fair to compare those guys to Orr's freshman and sophmores. But Almondson, Clements, Moten were never scoring contributors until they were juniors and seniors. Some of these guys are going to bust out ala DC and BMo. Thomas as a junior/senior? Dee Brown has come so far as a sophmore?

It's just too soon to tell, but I bet Coach Orr has some very sold MAC players on the come - it's just not fair to judge them as freshman/sophmores in my opinion.

[hammb]

I was thinking about this last night, and I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong: None of the names that people are throwing around really contributed to scoring until they were juniors or seniors. Reimond Smarco and Miller transfered to BG as juniors (I know Nate played half of his sophmore year) so it's not really fair to compare those guys to Orr's freshman and sophmores. But Almondson, Clements, Moten were never scoring contributors until they were juniors and seniors. Some of these guys are going to bust out ala DC and BMo. Thomas as a junior/senior? Dee Brown has come so far as a sophmore?

It's just too soon to tell, but I bet Coach Orr has some very sold MAC players on the come - it's just not fair to judge them as freshman/sophmores in my opinion.

For the most part you are correct. Lewis & McLeod could score when they first got here. Reimold, Samarco, and Pardon were real good upon their arrival but they were transfers. But yeah, most of the guys we think back about (Moten, Almandson, Matela, etc) weren't really good players as Freshmen/sophomores.

My personal opinion is that this team could use somebody like Lewis or McLeod...a guy who is a natural scorer right out of the gates, but maybe needs to work on the rest of his game. I don't know how many of those guys are available, but I would think there are some out there. Maybe the staff prefers to find more polished defensive players and work on their scoring after they get here. I don't know, I guess that would just be a difference in opinion between the coaching staff & I.

[cowboyjoe]

Usually a first team ALL MAC player as a junior or senior scores at least 9-10 points a game as a freshman. History says that is the case. We don't have that this year and did not have it last year.

[BleedOrange]

Reimold and Pardon came to BG as sophomores and started immediately. Miller showed up before his jr year and made impact immediately. Samarco showed up as a junior.

Almanson, Netter, and Matela all saw significant minutes as freshmen and sophomores.

Again, JoJak, Brown, Thomas, Marcshall, Larson, and Polk are not sooo overwhelmingly good that the rest of the roster should be seeing SO FEW minutes....that is, unless the bench is very weak. Concerning Dee Brown, what has he done other than play a lot of minutes this year? Same with Thomas, who is shooting very badly this year. (Orr is using less depth than Dakich did, and that was among our main complaints about him.)

When the main rotation of 6-7 guys are marginally talented and the bench almost never sees the floor, it just doesn't reflect well on our recruiting or overall talent level. You can wait this out if you like - we were in waiting mode last year and the year before and the year before. Sometimes I forget what we're waiting for. Enough. Why don't we cut the s**t and just acknowledge what we have now? Another throwaway year.

[hammb]

Reimold and Pardon came to BG as sophomores and started immediately. Miller showed up before his jr year and made impact immediately. Samarco showed up as a junior.

Almanson, Netter, and Matela all saw significant minutes as freshmen and sophomores.

Again, JoJak, Brown, Thomas, Marcshall, Larson, and Polk are not sooo overwhelmingly good that the rest of the roster should be seeing SO FEW minutes....that is, unless the bench is very weak. Concerning Dee Brown, what has he done other than play a lot of minutes this year? Same with Thomas, who is shooting very badly this year. (Orr is using less depth than Dakich did, and that was among our main complaints about him.)

When the main rotation of 6-7 guys are marginally talented and the bench almost never sees the floor, it just doesn't reflect well on our recruiting or overall talent level. You can wait this out if you like - we were in waiting mode last year and the year before and the year before. Sometimes I forget what we're waiting for. Enough. Why don't we cut the s**t and just acknowledge what we have now? Another throwaway year.

Thus far Dee Brown has been our best and most consistent scorer. That's not saying a ton with this group, but he has shown more than what I expected from him. Mainly shooting better than 48% from 3 and over 45% overall from the field. If he can continue those rates he should be shooting more.

I'm pretty disappointed in Scott Thomas this year. I expected him to be our leading and most consistent scoring threat this year, but he's really struggled shooting the ball. Jakubowski hasn't been very good thus far either.

I'm anxious to see the team tonight, because I haven't gotten to watch a game in awhile. Hopefully as the year goes on the team will grow, but I must admit I'm as disappointed as anyone that we haven't really seen anything from guys like Goins, Kraus, McElroy, or Calhoun at this point.

[threestooges]

...You can wait this out if you like - we were in waiting mode last year and the year before and the year before. Sometimes I forget what we're waiting for. Enough. Why don't we cut the s**t and just acknowledge what we have now? Another throwaway year.

Ummm, I believe we DID win a MAC title last year. I understand what you're saying about this year's team, but last year was certainly not a throwaway year.

[BleedOrange]

...You can wait this out if you like - we were in waiting mode last year and the year before and the year before. Sometimes I forget what we're waiting for. Enough. Why don't we cut the s**t and just acknowledge what we have now? Another throwaway year.

Ummm, I believe we DID win a MAC title last year. I understand what you're saying about this year's team, but last year was certainly not a throwaway year.

Fair enough. It wasn't officially a throwaway year, but it didn't really feel like that good of a year. We tied Buffalo for the best record in the conference in a congested division. We won by the skin of our teeth on a tie breaker. Well into the MAC season, nobody in BG-land considered that team a good contender, and we were all startled in late February when we fell into contention.

We won b/c senior Nate Miller, after finally finding his groove and late January, put the whole team on his back and delivered wins. Miller was the ONLY reason that we did anything last year. Remember, he was suspended (along with Knight and Madlock) in the early season and somehow failed to break into the starting lineup for a very long time. This situation probably cost him MAC Player of the Year. I don't remember why hell he was suspended, and I have no fricking idea why he went so long w/o starting and finding his groove. I look back on last year with quite a bit of "WTF".

Here's a test: Name the last 5 MAC Tournament winners. Okay, now....name the last 5 MAC regular season winners. I'll say it again...nobody really cares about winning the regular season.

[BillyLP]

...You can wait this out if you like - we were in waiting mode last year and the year before and the year before. Sometimes I forget what we're waiting for. Enough. Why don't we cut the s**t and just acknowledge what we have now? Another throwaway year.

Ummm, I believe we DID win a MAC title last year. I understand what you're saying about this year's team, but last year was certainly not a throwaway year.

Fair enough. It wasn't officially a throwaway year, but it didn't really feel like that good of a year. We tied Buffalo for the best record in the conference in a congested division. We won by the skin of our teeth on a tie breaker. Well into the MAC season, nobody in BG-land considered that team a good contender, and we were all startled in late February when we fell into contention.

We won b/c senior Nate Miller, after finally finding his groove and late January, put the whole team on his back and delivered wins. Miller was the ONLY reason that we did anything last year. Remember, he was suspended (along with Knight and Madlock) in the early season and somehow failed to break into the starting lineup for a very long time. This situation probably cost him MAC Player of the Year. I don't remember why hell he was suspended, and I have no fricking idea why he went so long w/o starting and finding his groove. I look back on last year with quite a bit of "WTF".

Here's a test: Name the last 5 MAC Tournament winners. Okay, now....name the last 5 MAC regular season winners. I'll say it again...nobody really cares about winning the regular season.

HA your test failed because I for one can only name one of each...Kent State in the Tourney and BG in the regular season. My opinion on the matter is that Orr is doing quite well. He is coaching a well-disciplined team that is at least staying in the hunt for the MAC each of his years while we play in the some of the worst facilities in the conference, and we have a lot of guys that I still really believe can end their careers being solid college ballplayers. This year hasn't been a throwaway season yet and last year definitely wasn't.

[h2oville rocket]

...You can wait this out if you like - we were in waiting mode last year and the year before and the year before. Sometimes I forget what we're waiting for. Enough. Why don't we cut the s**t and just acknowledge what we have now? Another throwaway year.

Ummm, I believe we DID win a MAC title last year. I understand what you're saying about this year's team, but last year was certainly not a throwaway year.

Fair enough. It wasn't officially a throwaway year, but it didn't really feel like that good of a year. We tied Buffalo for the best record in the conference in a congested division. We won by the skin of our teeth on a tie breaker. Well into the MAC season, nobody in BG-land considered that team a good contender, and we were all startled in late February when we fell into contention.

We won b/c senior Nate Miller, after finally finding his groove and late January, put the whole team on his back and delivered wins. Miller was the ONLY reason that we did anything last year. Remember, he was suspended (along with Knight and Madlock) in the early season and somehow failed to break into the starting lineup for a very long time. This situation probably cost him MAC Player of the Year. I don't remember why hell he was suspended, and I have no fricking idea why he went so long w/o starting and finding his groove. I look back on last year with quite a bit of "WTF".

Here's a test: Name the last 5 MAC Tournament winners. Okay, now....name the last 5 MAC regular season winners. I'll say it again...nobody really cares about winning the regular season.

I can't do either but I can name two MAC Champs and only one Tournament champ, Akron-who barely beat us in two OTs last year. Bg and UT won two MAC championships and I have no idea on the others- tournament is fun but the winner loses their next game. MAC champs usually have a shot at a win in their next game. NCAA tournament, while desirable, is grossly overrted. Of course UT and BG fans might be expected to say that since its been 1978 I think since either got in.

[Class of 61]

Usually a first team ALL MAC player as a junior or senior scores at least 9-10 points a game as a freshman. History says that is the case. We don't have that this year and did not have it last year.

CJ,
Perhaps Thomas and Brown have heard your inspirational words and have just recently taken them to heart?