Short Week: Short Game Thread

[Altoid_storm]

Aw thanks At first I wasn't going to do it, but after all the really rude remarks I was getting after doing absolutely nothing on Friday, I decided I should do something at least. It resulted in me getting hot chocolate spilled all over me because of the opposing goalie coming up and hitting the glass where the sign was in warm ups, but hot chocolate well worth it

Anyway, yes, the play you're talking about DID to right over the glass. It was after the whistle and it went right into the student section, around 5-7 rows up and nailed a girl in the face. There was blood all over. It was blocked off for a while and they cleaned it up and carted the girl off on the stretcher (I don't think she was laying. She'll definitely need stitches though). But yeah, I watched it all happen, which riled the students up even more because it was after the whistle. I felt really bad for that girl. I hope she's all right, but I heard from a few people today she's okay.

[MACMAN]

Hey folks, the truth is they just handed it to us, the way, when we were on top we used to dish it out to people. Miami is a very strong, very talented team. We played them with all we had the first night and maybe they thought it would be a cake walk and it bit them in the ass or maybe our best was good enough and we could not duplicate that effort two nights in a row.
At any rate they handed us our asses last night and good for them. We need to our guys to mature and get some payback net season. and again when the time is right, just really hand it to them.

[redskins4ever]

ToddPav's Picture #85 ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/toddpavlac ... 299434681/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )is the photo that best sums up where it all went wrong in my eyes as far as officiating is concerned...a complete leg-lock by the Miami player on Ruel...if Ruel had gone down another direction, we might have been talking about a serious knee injury. NOTHING was called on the Miami player and Ruel got 2 minutes for holding.

The Miami player was decked in the crease, and then was not allowed to get up, was shoved back down and held, and you are wondering why Ruel was called for the penalty? Seriously? Players who are put down on the ice and not allowed to get back up will not be called for penalties regardless of what they were doing. All Ruel had to do was skate away. As for a serious leg injury, the only serious leg injuries in hockey are typically knee on knee shots, which by the way seemed to be a preferred method of hitting for BG at times after the game got out of control.

I really wonder what some of you individuals do to put yourselves in situations where you feel that you have been violated by opposing fans, or why someone else is classless. I've been to so many sporting events and never had these experiences, I wonder if some of you are either instigating the reactions of others (which you find amusing) or have such thin skin, that you find everything controversial. I really want to know what you are doing to get the reactions that you do, because I would hardly believe that these are random acts that did not have some type of backstory behind them.

I had a friendly exchange of greetings with BG fans, had a good discussion about how this game was ugly and how Hall had no control over what was going on.

[Drago]

Bottom line is that they are way better than we are. It wasn't a good game to watch. Once we got down it was tough to sit through. I just don't understand the whole "we're losing 6-1, I'm going to fight eveyone on the other team mentality."
We get mad and say Miami was acting class less, but
I thought Miami acted appropriately, 23 slashed their goalie. They took care of him. We would have done the same thing. I did think the penalties from the first tussle we're one sided, particularly after Hirschfeld blind sided our guy in front of the boxes. They should have thrown everyone in the box and kicked out 23 and Hirschfeld.

Basically we just have to hope that Coach Williams is bringing in some recruits who can play a little bit. Our talent is way below what it is going to take to win on a consistent basis in the CCHA. This seems to be a recurring theme by the way. Talent is needed to win games, I think we have a good coaching staff, we just need the players.
Also...why was the rink so cold? I had to keep my gloves on the whole game. It couldn't have been much more than 50 degrees in there.

[fish87]

Drago, Hirschfeld and Grover were both given game DQ's, which means they can't play in their next team's games. I would also think the league will take a look at this game, seeing if any more discipline needs to be handed down. I would think Hirschfeld will get more than just the one game ban, since he decided to take a run at Grover when he was heading to the penalty box. The Falcons will be down two players come Friday night vs. ND, since Perkin got DQ'd as well.

As for the play with Ruel, Ruel was standing over McKenzie for a bit of time in the crease area, before McKenzie hauled him down. Both players received minors on the play, Ruel for Roughing, McKenzie for Holding. Was Ruel right to stand over the player, probably not, but at the same time Vaive did that to a Falcon or two throughout the weekend as well. Just glad that everything is done now, at that this series is behind us.

[toddpav]

I really wonder what some of you individuals do to put yourselves in situations where you feel that you have been violated by opposing fans, or why someone else is classless. I've been to so many sporting events and never had these experiences, I wonder if some of you are either instigating the reactions of others (which you find amusing) or have such thin skin, that you find everything controversial. I really want to know what you are doing to get the reactions that you do, because I would hardly believe that these are random acts that did not have some type of backstory behind them.

I had a friendly exchange of greetings with BG fans, had a good discussion about how this game was ugly and how Hall had no control over what was going on.

As a working member of the media, I really can't get involved with fan to fan discussions. I'll laugh and smile during them, because, for the most part, they are pretty humorous. However, last night as I was standing between the two groups of fans, I heard a Miami fan yell to a BG mother/ toddler son to come to a real school if he didn't want the son to "end up retarded and disillusioned like all of the BG people in the building." Then our fans starting yelling similar things. Really... it wasn't enjoyable anymore. When you bring kids in, who really have no idea about context, and put them in the middle of your squabbles is when I have an issue.

Everything else was typical fan banter. To be expected. I was disappointed in our fans and Miami fans for the above incident.

[TG1996]

I guess you do have to give the Miami(OH) fan credit for going both 3rd Grade and 50 cent word with the "retarded and disillusioned" slam, though. It's a tough double to pull off.

[DWhite21]

2nd! Grew up 30 minutes from Miami and most of my graduating class went there too... Most of them honestly believe they are better than everyone else, in every respect...

I 100% agree with you on the the fact that the majority of Miami students think that they're better than everyone else. I grew up in northern Cincinnati and a lot of students from my high school went to JCrew U as well. I've honestly never found a more narcissistic, stuck up group of people at one place in my entire life. Most of the people that I've met who go there are from rich suburbs, drive $20,000+ cars that their parents bought for them, and walk around with a swagger and arrogance as if the world owes them something. I honestly wonder how they all ended up at the same school. I'm also speaking from experience. One of my best friends goes there and since I'm living in Cincinnati now I go up to JCrew U about twice a month.

As for the games, I wasn't there so I can only go by what everyone else is saying. If a Miami student deliberately shot the puck into the stands he shouldn't be playing hockey for the rest of the year, IMO. The Miami student section is one of the most classless I've ever seen. If Wingels can't put up with a little heckling from our student section he's pretty soft.

This is all just another reason why watching them blow that National Championship game last year was one of the highlights of my life as a hockey fan.

[DWhite21]

I really wonder what some of you individuals do to put yourselves in situations where you feel that you have been violated by opposing fans, or why someone else is classless. I've been to so many sporting events and never had these experiences, I wonder if some of you are either instigating the reactions of others (which you find amusing) or have such thin skin, that you find everything controversial. I really want to know what you are doing to get the reactions that you do, because I would hardly believe that these are random acts that did not have some type of backstory behind them.

I had a friendly exchange of greetings with BG fans, had a good discussion about how this game was ugly and how Hall had no control over what was going on.

Maybe you've never had an experience like that because you've never attended a game as a fan of a team that is playing against Miami

I can honestly say that I've never been a victim of verbal attacks at a sporting event either. But for you to insinuate that the people on here are all somehow provoked it is pretty stupid.

For a Miami fan to go after a little kid is as low as you can go. Although it doesn't surprise me that a Miami fan would make a comment about how their school is better than another school. That's all part of the attitude that Miami students/fans adopt once they start going to school there.

[BGSU_Love]

Regarding the student that was hit in the head, she is one of my best friend's roommate. She went to the hospital that night and then again on Saturday. Yesterday she was doing better but for a while she had no color and was just really weak. She has a bump on her head about the size of a hockey puck and her roommate has been with her the whole time per doctors orders. But as of this morning she's doing better but still feels dizzy and faint. She never even saw the puck coming because she had turned slightly to say something to her friend, and to make matters worse that was only her 2nd hockey game she's ever been to.

[Spectator]

[quote="Drago"]Bottom line is that they are way better than we are. It wasn't a good game to watch. Once we got down it was tough to sit through. I just don't understand the whole "we're losing 6-1, I'm going to fight eveyone on the other team mentality."
We get mad and say Miami was acting class less, but
I thought Miami acted appropriately, 23 slashed their goalie. They took care of him. We would have done the same thing. I did think the penalties from the first tussle we're one sided, particularly after Hirschfeld blind sided our guy in front of the boxes. They should have thrown everyone in the box and kicked out 23 and Hirschfeld.


The game will be replayed on the Buckeye Cable channel and you can also watch it on your computer at 11pm tonight. The comment that you made about >>> I just don't understand the whole "we're losing 6-1, I'm going to fight eveyone on the other team mentality." First off nobody slashed the Miami goalie, the player #23 Grover had his stick on the ice going for a loose puck and lost an edge as he veered away from the goalie and light contact was made. The Miami players #'s 5 & 6 then took this opportunity to jump Grover and the brawl started. Finally, when Grover and Snelling were getting in the penalty box they were still chirping each other when Hirschfeld, "Bertuzzied" Grover from behind. This was an extremely dangerous decision that Hirschfeld made because Grover was not wearing a helmet and was very close to an open penalty box door. This decision by Hirschfeld reignited the fireworks. Hirschfeld's decision to attack a vulnerable player who's helmet was off from behind will be reviewed and I think he will receive further suspensions.

I am not sure why Perkins will be kicked out, he did no more or less then any other player on the ice.

[Altoid_storm]

I did want to respond to the Miami fan, sorry I've been reading through everything and didn't bother to quote.

I've had loads of wonderful experiences with not just Miami fans, but with lots of other fans as well. In the student section, we were having a really great conversation with a Miami fan by the ice door. I don't want anyone to assume that I did something to make the Miami fans verbally attack me. I don't think that is very fair. I did not yell to anyone first, but I didn't just stand there when they swore at me while I was walking up the stairs to go to the bathroom. I also said nothing derogatory back. I usually like talking to opposing fans, but when they're really mean and say the same things to me the Miami student section said to me back in the second round of the CCHA playoffs two years ago when I went to my first away game, I wasn't very happy about it.

I know there are two sides to every group of fans. There are some that are embarrassing. BG has some of those. So does Miami. And at my away game and at this game, I happened to run right into their verbal assaults. Just because you haven't witnessed it, doesn't mean others have not as well. I don't want to sound mean, but I'm also not going to accept that it was my fault Miami fans were chirping at me Friday (and Saturday as well).

In terms of Grover, I wasn't on that side of the ice, but I heard the really loud "thud" of his stick against the goalie pads. Maybe something happened after that, but I watched that. I just thought I'd add that in in case anyone else heard/saw the same thing.

Anyway, I'm glad the game is over. It brought back too many negative memories of that trip to Oxford two years ago. I'm hoping to be prepared for Notre Dame next weekend. Those will be intense games.

[Peregrinner]

I can't speak for Saturday night, because I wasn't there, but I have to say that whatever player shot the puck over the glass that hit the spectator should have to face some sort of punishment for his actions.

Clearly he didn't intend to hurt anyone, but it was an unnecessary and unsportsmanlike action that led to injury.

I understand that fans are supposed to be aware at all times in case the puck leaves the ice during the course of play, but lifting the puck over the boards on a delayed penalty call is not exactly "the course of play."

[Falconfreak90]

All I can say is BG has a looooooooooooong way to go to get back to being respectable.

4-22-4, 3-17-4 CCHA?? I am far from the most knowledgeable hockey fan out there but it appears we are worse than when Paluch was the coach? That record is sorely disappointing.

What the hell is going on? Does BG have a prayer of improving in the near future?

Thoughts?

[Peregrinner]

Freak,

As far as the record goes, yeah, we're pretty bad. Maybe worse than when Paluch was at the helm. I don't know for sure.

But in terms of what's going on? Maybe it sounds like making excuses, but we were on shaky footing, changed coaches, went through an off-season where it wasn't even certain we'd have a program, and lost some of our better players. Unfortunately, that's not a recipe for success.

Is Williams the answer? I don't know. I think he might be, but it's hard to judge where we are as a team with everything that happened over the last year.