USA TODAY/ESPN AND AP FINAL POLLS

windycityfalcon · Post by **windycityfalcon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:37 am

Our Falcons didn't crack the top 25 in either of them .. coach's poll isn't out yet that I've seen.
But, we are damn close to being in there.. and the highest ranked MAC team in both polls.

The Top 25 teams in The Associated Press college football poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, final records, total points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote, and previous ranking:
Record Pts Pvs
1. Southern Cal (62) 13-0 1,622 1
2. Auburn (3) 13-0 1,559 3
3. Oklahoma 12-1 1,454 2
4. Utah 12-0 1,438 5
5. Texas 11-1 1,391 6
6. Louisville 11-1 1,261 7
7. Georgia 10-2 1,204 8
8. Iowa 10-2 1,111 11
9. California 10-2 1,060 4
10. Virginia Tech 10-3 996 9
11. Miami 9-3 917 14
12. Boise St. 11-1 888 10
13. Tennessee 10-3 868 15
14. Michigan 9-3 842 13
15. Florida St. 9-3 754 17
16. LSU 9-3 711 12
17. Wisconsin 9-3 482 16
18. Texas Tech 8-4 476 23
19. Arizona St. 9-3 463 21
20. Ohio St. 8-4 423 24
21. Boston College 9-3 314 25
22. Fresno St. 9-3 203 --
23. Virginia 8-4 157 18
24. Navy 10-2 126 --
25. Pittsburgh 8-4 99 19
Others receiving votes: Florida 85, Bowling Green 74, Texas A&M 29, N. Illinois 27, West Virginia 26, Oregon St. 17, Colorado 13, Connecticut 11, Purdue 10, Georgia Tech 6, Minnesota 6, Southern Miss. 1, UTEP 1.
(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
APTV 01-05-05 0114CST

The top 25 teams in the USA Today-ESPN college football poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, team's final records, points based on 25 points for a first-place vote, through one point for a 25th-place vote and last ranking:
Record Pts Pvs
1. Southern California (61) 13-0 1,525 1
2. Auburn 13-0 1,460 3
3. Oklahoma 12-1 1,366 2
4. Texas 11-1 1,324 5
5. Utah 12-0 1,300 6
6. Georgia 10-2 1,191 7
7. Louisville 11-1 1,166 8
8. Iowa 10-2 1,022 13
9. California 10-2 937 4
10. Virginia Tech 10-3 906 9
11. Miami 9-3 903 14
12. Michigan 9-3 802 12
13. Boise St. 11-1 792 10
14. Florida St. 9-3 776 15
15. Tennessee 10-3 771 17
16. LSU 9-3 693 11
17. Texas Tech 8-4 478 21
18. Wisconsin 9-3 449 16
19. Ohio St. 8-4 430 22
20. Arizona St. 9-3 377 24
21. Boston College 9-3 245 --
22. Fresno St. 9-3 206 --
23. Virginia 8-4 157 18
24. Navy 10-2 129 --
25. Florida 7-5 101 19
Also receiving votes: West Virginia 96; Bowling Green 57; Pittsburgh 45; Northern Illinois 40; Texas A&M 16; Colorado 15; Minnesota 13; Oregon State 11; Iowa State 7; Purdue 5; Connecticut 4; Georgia Tech 3, Texas El-Paso 2; Toledo 2; Wyoming 2; Hawaii 1.
(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
APTV 01-05-05 0113CST

BGSUfanatUT · Post by **BGSUfanatUT** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:56 am

Oklahoma stays 3rd? PITT IS IN THE TOP 25!!!!!!!!!!!!

PITT IS IN THE TOP 25! <-----wtf is this?

more importantly, OU STAYS THIRD!? thats disgusting.

and how does toledo retain votes?

some questions may never be answered in our lifetime.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:08 am

BGSUfanatUT wrote:Oklahoma stays 3rd? PITT IS IN THE TOP 25!!!!!!!!!!!!

PITT IS IN THE TOP 25! <-----wtf is this?

I was thinking the same thing.

Sometimes these past few years, I think some of the top MAC programs have been getting some benefit of doubt because of our gaudy records.

But I really think the Falcons were better this year than Pittsburgh.

CincyFalcon · Post by **CincyFalcon** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:42 am

Its too bad we couldn't have at least cracked the final Top 25. But I would rather have a bowl victory (or at least a non-embarrassment-Pitt) than finish with a little number next to the school name.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:57 am

Toledo should have gotten MORE votes in my view. I would not have wanted to see our bowl game if we lost Omar and PJ to injury.

It would have been an ugly loss, to be sure.

My Top Five (not that this has any weight):
California Directional School
Redish Brown
Yoots
Tay-has
OU (yes, I know OU beat Tay-Has but that was almost three months ago.)

I would have taken Pitt out of the top 25 and replaced them with either NIU or BG. UT should have then gotten more votes than Pitt.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:45 am

BGSUfanatUT wrote:Oklahoma stays 3rd?

But shouldn't Oklahoma be second? If the BCS is matching up the two best teams in the country, then it is inevitable that one of the two teams has to lose. But since this system told us that Oklahoma was one of the top two teams in the country based on how the season played out, why would they still not be second now? Just because that lost to the best team? If the BCS is accurate, you would say that Auburn would have lost to USC by an even bigger margin. Thusly, Oklahoma should still be #2 :shrug:

My point is that if they are not # 2 in the final poll, then it just adds weight to Auburn and Utah's arguement that the BCS is crap. If their model tells us who the two best teams are, why are they still not the two best teams after they play each other? To me, putting Auburn ahead of Oklahoma now is like admitting the pollsters made a mistake and Auburn should have been playing in the championship game. Just my opinion, but this is what happens in the polls all throughout the year.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:09 am

Warthog wrote:
BGSUfanatUT wrote:Oklahoma stays 3rd?
But shouldn't Oklahoma be second? If the BCS is matching up the two best teams in the country, then it is inevitable that one of the two teams has to lose. But since this system told us that Oklahoma was one of the top two teams in the country based on how the season played out, why would they still not be second now? Just because that lost to the best team? If the BCS is accurate, you would say that Auburn would have lost to USC by an even bigger margin. Thusly, Oklahoma should still be #2 :shrug:

My point is that if they are not # 2 in the final poll, then it just adds weight to Auburn and Utah's arguement that the BCS is crap. If their model tells us who the two best teams are, why are they still not the two best teams after they play each other? To me, putting Auburn ahead of Oklahoma now is like admitting the pollsters made a mistake and Auburn should have been playing in the championship game. Just my opinion, but this is what happens in the polls all throughout the year.

The BCS is crap and I reflect that in my standings.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:09 am

Warthog wrote:
BGSUfanatUT wrote:Oklahoma stays 3rd?
But shouldn't Oklahoma be second? If the BCS is matching up the two best teams in the country, then it is inevitable that one of the two teams has to lose. But since this system told us that Oklahoma was one of the top two teams in the country based on how the season played out, why would they still not be second now? Just because that lost to the best team? If the BCS is accurate, you would say that Auburn would have lost to USC by an even bigger margin. Thusly, Oklahoma should still be #2 :shrug:

My point is that if they are not # 2 in the final poll, then it just adds weight to Auburn and Utah's arguement that the BCS is crap. If their model tells us who the two best teams are, why are they still not the two best teams after they play each other? To me, putting Auburn ahead of Oklahoma now is like admitting the pollsters made a mistake and Auburn should have been playing in the championship game. Just my opinion, but this is what happens in the polls all throughout the year.

Good point. I was thinking the same thing. However, the BCS is not the same thing as the AP and Coaches polls. Hence, in the minds of the "BCS powers that be," they may still rank OU as #2. It's the minds of reporters and coaches that change after a blowout like this, which of course would alter the BCS standings. Fortunetly for the BCS, they don't release a new poll, they just crown their so-called champion and move on. Never addressing whether Auburn or OU are now #2.

bgsuman · Post by **bgsuman** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 10:33 am

FLORIDA WITH 5 LOSSES in the TOP 25?

Is this a joke or what??????? FLorida always is the highest ranked, most losses team.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:25 pm

bgsuman wrote:FLORIDA WITH 5 LOSSES in the TOP 25?

Is this a joke or what??????? FLorida always is the highest ranked, most losses team.

Every year Florida gets ranked based on the talent they have on the field. If they actually got ranked by their performances on the field they would be no where to be seen. It is BS.

NIUBro · Post by **NIUBro** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:42 pm

Toledo should have been ranked ahead of both of us (BG and NIU) having beaten us both. NIU having beaten BG (remember that game) should have been ranked ahead of BG. I guess the voters failed to look at those games. I could never make sense of polls. The voters do not see the teams play so how can they make a true judgement. Forget the polls. Do it on the field. BCS (aka BS)

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:45 pm

NIUBro wrote:Toledo should have been ranked ahead of both of us (BG and NIU) having beaten us both. NIU having beaten BG (remember that game) should have been ranked ahead of BG. I guess the voters failed to look at those games. I could never make sense of polls. The voters do not see the teams play so how can they make a true judgement. Forget the polls. Do it on the field. BCS (aka BS)

Just because a team beat another one does not mean they should be ranked ahead of them. That is like saying Notre Dame should be ranked higher than Michigan because they beat them this season. NIU and BGSU both won their bowl games, UT got pasted.

rc_ziggy84 · Post by **rc_ziggy84** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:47 am

kdog27 wrote:
bgsuman wrote:FLORIDA WITH 5 LOSSES in the TOP 25?

Is this a joke or what??????? FLorida always is the highest ranked, most losses team.

Every year Florida gets ranked based on the talent they have on the field. If they actually got ranked by their performances on the field they would be no where to be seen. It is BS.

Florida each and every year gets a freaking bogus ranking and it drives me up the wall. They are the single most overrated team in that state. What is there bowl record in the past ten or so years? Yeah I don't have the stats but it's not good.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:33 pm

rc_ziggy84 wrote:
kdog27 wrote:
bgsuman wrote:FLORIDA WITH 5 LOSSES in the TOP 25?

Is this a joke or what??????? FLorida always is the highest ranked, most losses team.

Every year Florida gets ranked based on the talent they have on the field. If they actually got ranked by their performances on the field they would be no where to be seen. It is BS.
Florida each and every year gets a freaking bogus ranking and it drives me up the wall. They are the single most overrated team in that state. What is there bowl record in the past ten or so years? Yeah I don't have the stats but it's not good.

And now with Urbie there? They'll be in the Top 5 every year.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:26 pm

Have to say that it would have been nice to finish Top 25. But we didn't play big in the big games and that hurt us.

But we won 9 games and made it to a great bowl game ... and won that, too. Tough to complain.