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Flipper wrote:We had defenders in a position to make plays...we didn't make plays.

Football etiquette says you DO NOT kick a FG when you are winning big...3pts are meaningless and a sign that you are just looking to tack on points. You run the ball for four downs...if we can't stop you when we know you're going to run, that's on us.
What RichRod did today is what we did when we rolled up 70 on Temple in 2004. They ran a vanilla run offense that we just weren't god enough to stop.

What Tulsa did in the GMAC bowl was different...they were throwing deep routes and blitzing on defense when they were up by 30 in the second half. Football etiquette says you do not do that

No offense, but your wrong, you play all out untill the final second has ticket off the clock.
What they did, they did well, what we got is what we earned. It will get better once we step back down and in to MAC play.
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WTF are you talking about...where did I say you don't play hard the entire game?
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Just a total lackluster effort by the defense. The O? Played decently at times considering 3 starters missing. But the D was just terrible. I certainly didn't expect to see UM do whatever they wanted and hang 65 on us...simply unacceptable. UM's O line was simply dominating start to finish. We had our chance to hang around down 21-14 but didn't make the plays to make a run. A VERY poor defensive performance.

Get over it and get ready for the MAC. We knew there would be lumps this year...it just came hard today. Ouch. :vom:

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I thought it was quite simply the most embarassed and non competitive we have been in one of these OCS games, and I have seen nearly all of them.
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factman wrote:I thought it was quite simply the most embarassed and non competitive we have been in one of these OCS games, and I have seen nearly all of them.
Yep, that says it all.
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MACMAN wrote:
Flipper wrote:We had defenders in a position to make plays...we didn't make plays.

Football etiquette says you DO NOT kick a FG when you are winning big...3pts are meaningless and a sign that you are just looking to tack on points. You run the ball for four downs...if we can't stop you when we know you're going to run, that's on us.
What RichRod did today is what we did when we rolled up 70 on Temple in 2004. They ran a vanilla run offense that we just weren't god enough to stop.

What Tulsa did in the GMAC bowl was different...they were throwing deep routes and blitzing on defense when they were up by 30 in the second half. Football etiquette says you do not do that

No offense, but your wrong, you play all out untill the final second has ticket off the clock.
What they did, they did well, what we got is what we earned. It will get better once we step back down and in to MAC play.
Flip is totally right on this...UM was playing smashmouth and running the ball. Nothing fancy and we couldn't stop it. Tulsa was completely different.
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I wonder if I'll ever see a good defense again in BG during the remainder of my lifetime?
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Today showed how far Clawson has to go to get the program back on stable ground. There's 2-3 converted offensive guys who are playing defense that quite frankly have no business doing so, but Clawson's hands are tied with the cards he was left by Brandon.

Also, it was clear to see why Schilz earned the starting job. Pankratz, while he had flashes of being good, isn't nearly as accurate or throws as hard.

All in all, very disappointing and embarrassing. If you can't tackle and make basic football plays, you don't deserve to play D-1 football. The defense regressed back to the Troy game and we can only hope stuff gets figured out for the MAC schedule.
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I thought from the beginning of the week that this was a bad matchup. Michigan thrives on speed, particularly from Shoelaces and the wideouts. Their OLine was dominant as well as most Big Ten lines are in comparison to MAC teams. To beat top to mid-level teams, you need to be able to control the ball whether running or passing. Without our #1 QB, that was not going to happen. As others have said Michigan's defense is not good so there was a chance but not with the lineup on the field on this Saturday. Our OLine was not that bad in pass protection. Pankratz had happy feet or he held on to the ball too long. He was also inaccurate considering he rarely threw downfield. It likely would have been a closer game with Schilz but still the matchup in speed (a factor in the poor tackling) was the ultimate decider.
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The Michigan fans were into Boo Boo Gates. Whenever his name was announced a number of them would chant Booo-Booo. Dont know how many BG fans were doing that or if it's something we did at the Marshall game (missed it due to surgery) but I hope we bring that to the Doyt
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Very Intersting points several people make after the mess on saturday and I agree with some of you.

Two points that have not been brought up that are concerning.

1) Michigans defense is NOT very good
Going into the game I thought we might be able to score and maybe put some drives together to atleast kick some field goals if not touchdowns.

2) Off of the first point, with Michigans defense NOT being good, our rushing offense is even worse.

Some of you are optimistic about the season since now we start MAC play and are hoping for a bowl game or championships. I'm hoping for all those things as well, in order to bowl eligible we would need to go 5 -3 in the MAC and they probably are not taking 6 -6 MAC teams for bowl games.

Sidenote, someone made a comment about how far Clawson has to go to turn things around. WHen he does, he won't be here long after that.
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So I'd like to add a few things. Firstoff, I loved hearing the Michigan Student section chanting Boo-Boo! Most of the U of M fans around us picked it up as well, and by the end of the game, I think just about everyone in the stadium was doing it. As far as going for it on 4 and 3 with a few minutes left, before you string up DickRod, realize, he was doing the right thing, and not running up the score. As said before, Kicking the FG gaurantees the 3 points, running it on 4-3 means he's giving us a chance to stop them with no points, while running down the clock. Once they had a 25 point lead, I don't really remember them passing it at all. You can't blame Rodriguez for them scoring points by just being on the field. What do you want them to do, drive it down to the 40 yard line, and punt it every drive? They did what the common 'not-running-up-the-score' guidelines say.
1st-10, MICH6 11:32 M. Cox rushed to the right for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, MICH10 10:52 M. Cox rushed up the middle for 2 yard gain
3rd-4, MICH12 10:22 T. Forcier rushed up the middle for 7 yard gain
1st-10, MICH19 10:02 T. Forcier rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, MICH21 9:22 M. Cox rushed to the right for 10 yard gain
1st-10, MICH31 9:02 D. Gardner rushed up the middle for 3 yard gain
2nd-7, MICH34 8:37 F. Toussaint rushed up the middle for 60 yard gain
1st-6, BGSU6 8:17 F. Toussaint rushed up the middle for 6 yard touchdown. S. Broekhuizen made PAT
1st-10, MICH36 7:09 M. Cox rushed to the right for 35 yard gain
1st-10, BGSU29 6:49 T. Jones rushed to the right for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, BGSU25 5:59 D. Gardner passed to D. Dileo to the left for 2 yard gain
3rd-4, BGSU23 5:29 D. Gardner rushed to the left for 9 yard gain
1st-10, BGSU14 5:29 T. Jones rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, BGSU10 4:49 S. Hopkins rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
3rd-2, BGSU6 4:19 T. Jones rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
4th-3, BGSU7 3:29 D. Gardner rushed to the right for 7 yard touchdown. S. Schrimscher made PAT
Those don't look like drives where they're trying their best to get into the endzone, especially with the WR they have, while playing with their backup QB and backup RBs, come on.

Look at OSU on the other hand, leading EMU 38-14, they threw three more TD passes. They were trying to run up the score, two of the 3 with their starting star QB in the game still.
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Chimie wrote:Look at OSU on the other hand, leading EMU 38-14, they threw three more TD passes. They were trying to run up the score, two of the 3 with their starting star QB in the game still.
*ding!*

...including a halfback pass.

I took a bit of an exception to UM running a play-action rollout on that play, but the "don't like it, stop 'em" folks are pretty right on. Kicking the FG is (for the most part) assuring yourself of tacking on points.
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TG1996 wrote:
Chimie wrote:Look at OSU on the other hand, leading EMU 38-14, they threw three more TD passes. They were trying to run up the score, two of the 3 with their starting star QB in the game still.
*ding!*

...including a halfback pass.

I took a bit of an exception to UM running a play-action rollout on that play, but the "don't like it, stop 'em" folks are pretty right on. Kicking the FG is (for the most part) assuring yourself of tacking on points.

Although, as my boss pointed out this morning, when you're kicker is 1/5 the points aren't necessarily automatic.
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say what you want, it was an old fashioned ass whooping, and most thought the ending was going to be exactly that
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