Oglesby

[Redwingtom]

Who exactly is doing the ignoring here? A bunch of talent-less posters on this message board? If so, I say big deal.

And I have 100% confidence that Coach Orr knows how to handle these kids.

[BGFan]

I think presuming that an 18 year old kid has a fragile mindset is kind of odd...besides, I don't think the coach should alter his decisions on PT based on hurt feelings. It's a simple process...contribute to wins or sit. Better to learn that as an 18 year-old freshman than a 22 year-old senior.

Kind of odd? You were 18, imagine when you were 18 and having extreme highs followed by extreme lows. Imagine being a star basketball player and blocked off from facing lots of consequences and then having expectations really high and then crushed. Ignoring the mindset of an 18 year old, which is going to be fragile is not a good idea. Do you really think that an 18 year old who sees his PT pulled really sees it as a simple process of I am not contributing so I should sit. Like I said prior his first inclination will be inward because it will hurt. It will hurt anyone to have PT pulled. Ideally as you state it is a learning experience and he gets better. I am not saying you have to let him keep playing, what I am saying is that you realize he is an 18 year old and this might be a tough situation for him.

I agree with your second point. It just needs to be addressed with the player and I would bet that Coach Orr is smart enough to do that.

In every regard, aside from being able to legally drink a beer, an 18 year old is considered an adult and should expect to be treated like one instead of being coddled. I'm sorry but part of the maturing process is learning how to take criticism. There is way too much hand holding in child rearing these days. The goal of a parent is to teach the child how to live in the real world where critics abound.

When I was 18 and at BG for the first time I wanted to come home for a weekend shortly after I got there. Yes, I was homesick. My mother said no and it was probably one of the best things that she did for me that year. It was time for me to learn how to be on my own. That was the only time I really felt a "low" when I was 18...the rest of that year was incredible.

[Flipper]

I loved being 18...worked my ass to pay for my tuition, made a ton of friends, took on academic challenges beyond what I'd faced befor and did pretty well..I wasn't fragile...I was probably too busy trying to balance work and study to worry about it. I would hope a competitive athlete would be made of sterner stuff...

[Class of 61]

I think presuming that an 18 year old kid has a fragile mindset is kind of odd...besides, I don't think the coach should alter his decisions on PT based on hurt feelings. It's a simple process...contribute to wins or sit. Better to learn that as an 18 year-old freshman than a 22 year-old senior.

Kind of odd? You were 18, imagine when you were 18 and having extreme highs followed by extreme lows. Imagine being a star basketball player and blocked off from facing lots of consequences and then having expectations really high and then crushed. Ignoring the mindset of an 18 year old, which is going to be fragile is not a good idea. Do you really think that an 18 year old who sees his PT pulled really sees it as a simple process of I am not contributing so I should sit. Like I said prior his first inclination will be inward because it will hurt. It will hurt anyone to have PT pulled. Ideally as you state it is a learning experience and he gets better. I am not saying you have to let him keep playing, what I am saying is that you realize he is an 18 year old and this might be a tough situation for him.

I agree with your second point. It just needs to be addressed with the player and I would bet that Coach Orr is smart enough to do that.

In every regard, aside from being able to legally drink a beer, an 18 year old is considered an adult and should expect to be treated like one instead of being coddled. I'm sorry but part of the maturing process is learning how to take criticism. There is way too much hand holding in child rearing these days. The goal of a parent is to teach the child how to live in the real world where critics abound.

When I was 18 and at BG for the first time I wanted to come home for a weekend shortly after I got there. Yes, I was homesick. My mother said no and it was probably one of the best things that she did for me that year. It was time for me to learn how to be on my own. That was the only time I really felt a "low" when I was 18...the rest of that year was incredible.

If I were your mom, I'd have told you to stay at school too!

[Globetrotter]

Lots of "shoulds" and "in my days" in the two posts after mine. Prescribing your life situation to other people. Anyone, at any age, who had early success and then did not live up to early high expectations is going to be affected emotionally. An 18 year old kid often will not have had the life circumstances to have learned resilience. Those two posts are a bit self righteous. At 18 you are a still a kid.

In one post it says that there is way too much hand holding and then says in the same time they they should grow up. So which is it. If you admit that parents might handhold to much so kids don't face enough adversity and learn resilience then how can you say that we don't need to consider this.

How can you not see this as a potential very frustrating situation and not think that he might be thinking that their might be a more suitable environment for him? Especially having gone thru the Dakich years and the transfers that went with them.

I agree with all of you that have said that the kids emotions should not dictate playing time, but you better have a good reason to have a kid drop from starter to 4 mins a game, because that would affect each and every person here. If you were at work and then your boss said well we are going to limit what you can do at work now to 20% of what you were doing you would certainly have a reaction and my guess by your 2 posts it would be pretty defensive. I know for me initially it would be defensive.

[Globetrotter]

Who exactly is doing the ignoring here? A bunch of talent-less posters on this message board? If so, I say big deal.

And I have 100% confidence that Coach Orr knows how to handle these kids.

Based off what? Has he had this situation before? (legit question)

[Rollo83]

I think presuming that an 18 year old kid has a fragile mindset is kind of odd...besides, I don't think the coach should alter his decisions on PT based on hurt feelings. It's a simple process...contribute to wins or sit. Better to learn that as an 18 year-old freshman than a 22 year-old senior.

Kind of odd? You were 18, imagine when you were 18 and having extreme highs followed by extreme lows. Imagine being a star basketball player and blocked off from facing lots of consequences and then having expectations really high and then crushed. Ignoring the mindset of an 18 year old, which is going to be fragile is not a good idea. Do you really think that an 18 year old who sees his PT pulled really sees it as a simple process of I am not contributing so I should sit. Like I said prior his first inclination will be inward because it will hurt. It will hurt anyone to have PT pulled. Ideally as you state it is a learning experience and he gets better. I am not saying you have to let him keep playing, what I am saying is that you realize he is an 18 year old and this might be a tough situation for him.

I agree with your second point. It just needs to be addressed with the player and I would bet that Coach Orr is smart enough to do that.

In every regard, aside from being able to legally drink a beer, an 18 year old is considered an adult and should expect to be treated like one instead of being coddled. I'm sorry but part of the maturing process is learning how to take criticism. There is way too much hand holding in child rearing these days. The goal of a parent is to teach the child how to live in the real world where critics abound.

When I was 18 and at BG for the first time I wanted to come home for a weekend shortly after I got there. Yes, I was homesick. My mother said no and it was probably one of the best things that she did for me that year. It was time for me to learn how to be on my own. That was the only time I really felt a "low" when I was 18...the rest of that year was incredible.

If I were your mom, I'd have told you to stay at school too!

When I was 18 at BG my Mom asked me "when are you coming home?"

[Falcon Fanatic]

When I was 18 and at BG for the first time I wanted to come home for a weekend shortly after I got there. Yes, I was homesick. My mother said no and it was probably one of the best things that she did for me that year. It was time for me to learn how to be on my own. That was the only time I really felt a "low" when I was 18...the rest of that year was incredible.

That is because you met me in April of our freshman year!!!! And your life has NEVER been the same, right? (Be careful how you answer that, dear.... )

[Flipper]

OMG...what thoughtless bastards we are...reflecting on our own experiences to form an opinion about the mental state of freshman basketball players. We're worse than Hitler...

[debtzoomba]

Oglesby did not pick up any more fouls the rest of the game after picking up his 3rd in the first couple of minutes of the second half...he didn't get his 4th because he never got in the game again!

[falconfan1]

Cameron Black's father (his HS coach) and mother said he loves everything about BGSU and wants to really get to work on his game. Watch this young man develop. Compared to O Polk's first 20 games, I would say he has quite an upside with our coaching staff. Just a very polite young man also. Sign of good character IMO.

Go Falcons!

[bgsufalcon24]

OMG...what thoughtless bastards we are...reflecting on our own experiences to form an opinion about the mental state of freshman basketball players. We're worse than Hitler...

Or at least worse than Obama...

[Redwingtom]

Anyone have the key for the lock?

[Globetrotter]

Anyone have the key for the lock?

Are you serious? Why? Because conversation deviated?

[Globetrotter]

OMG...what thoughtless bastards we are...reflecting on our own experiences to form an opinion about the mental state of freshman basketball players. We're worse than Hitler...

Ha, You are not hitler, but it would be good to be able to try to see from someone else's lens as well.