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BleedOrange wrote: I'd venture that if a Herb Sendek, Gary Waters, Ben Braun, Thad Matta, or Jim Callipari (UMass circa 1992), they'd have BG winning 23+ per year and in the dance within 2-3 years.

If they what? Came to BG to coach? Probably. If they came now for sure- but if it was their first coaching job? Hard to say-some of those coaches might have turned out to be Jay Eck or Dakich II had they started out at BG.

I think a lot of success goes beyond the athletic department- a school has to WANT to be successful from the top down. At some schools the commitment wavers (ala Cincinnatti hoops) or isn't there at all. But to have an untrammeled history of ignominy going back to the eighties , or worse, the sixties- well, it helps to be located in NW Ohio. ;-)
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h2oville rocket wrote:
BleedOrange wrote: I'd venture that if a Herb Sendek, Gary Waters, Ben Braun, Thad Matta, or Jim Callipari (UMass circa 1992), they'd have BG winning 23+ per year and in the dance within 2-3 years.

If they what? Came to BG to coach? Probably. If they came now for sure- but if it was their first coaching job? Hard to say-some of those coaches might have turned out to be Jay Eck or Dakich II had they started out at BG.

I think a lot of success goes beyond the athletic department- a school has to WANT to be successful from the top down. At some schools the commitment wavers (ala Cincinnatti hoops) or isn't there at all. But to have an untrammeled history of ignominy going back to the eighties , or worse, the sixties- well, it helps to be located in NW Ohio. ;-)
Yeah, if they came to BG - in my haste I omitted that. My point is simply that the right coach, at BG or any mid-major, could make things happen fairly quickly.

Your point about a school's commitment and desire from the top-down is a good one.

From my vantage point, BGSU's commitment to and desire for success in men's hoops in non-existent. We have not had post season success since 1968, and are VERY late in updating our facilities. So, if I'm wrong, the burden of proof is on the university.
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I think we've been through a couple of Coaches since this BG Grad has been building his resume 60 miles North of BG.
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ROCHESTER, Mich. - Greg Kampe likes the temperament of his Oakland Golden Grizzlies basketball team as it prepares for the NCAA men's basketball tournament.
Oakland, 25-9 and champion of the Summit League, is a No. 13 seed. The Golden Grizzlies face No. 4 seed Texas, 27-7, on Friday in Tulsa, Okla. It's the second straight appearance and third in the last seven years for Oakland in the NCAA tournament.
"The cool part of it is the expectation of doing it now. When the game ended (the Summit League tournament championship game), we were just down there shaking their hands. There was no laying down on the floor, rolling around or anything like that," Kampe said in a telephone interview Monday. Now in his 27th season at Oakland, Kampe is a former football and basketball player at Bowling Green State University. :supz:
"Last year, they (the team) were talking, 'We're going to the Sweet 16. We're going to do this, we're going to do that.' I haven't heard any of that this year," Kampe continued. "It's a quiet confidence. We've played all the big boys."
Kampe loaded his preseason schedule with some backbreaking games for a mid-major.
Oakland played seven teams which made the tournament, including five from the Big Ten along with West Virginia and Tennessee. Oakland won 89-82 at Tennessee in mid-December.
"We've been in many of those games. We could have won, did win, or blew it down the stretch," Kampe said. "There is a confidence that we can play with anybody and they're doing it the right way. They are keeping their mouths shut and just getting ready to play."
It was surprising that Texas fell to a No. 4 seed.
"Three weeks ago, they were No. 1 in the country," Kampe said about Texas. "We were really in shock that they slipped all the way down to a four seed. I couldn't get too excited when I saw that.
"But the reality of it is, if it's Louisville, if it's Wisconsin, it's all same. Big-time program. Big-time names. We have to go beat them. And we'll prepare as if we can."
Keith Benson, a 6-foot-11 fifth-year senior, leads the Golden Grizzlies averaging 18.0 points and 10.1 rebounds per game. A projected first-round pick in the National Basketball Association draft, Benson was the Summit League player and defensive player of the year. He had 19 double-doubles this season and blocked 124 shots.
Other top performers for Oakland are: Reggie Hamilton, a 5-11 redshirt junior, 17.4 ppg with 80 3-pointers and 182 assists; Will Hudson, a 6-9 senior, 12.5 points and 7.1 rebounds per game; Travis Bader, a 6-4 redshirt freshman, 10.5 ppg with 92 3-pointers; and Larry Wright, a 6-2 redshirt senior, 9.8 ppg with 99 assists.
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BleedOrange wrote:Yes, many HS boys set their sites on the NBA or Europe, so they pick a school that's the best possible platform for that purpose. That would clearly explain why a kid picks Michigan State over BG. However, that does NOT explain why a kid picks one MAC school over another. Fact is, those schools you list haven't had any more success putting kids in the NBA or Europe than we have. That's just a simple fact.
Just doing a quick look, Dru Joyce (Germany), Romeo Travis (Israel), Chris Singletary (Hungary), Armon Bassett (Israel), Carlos Medlock (UK), Darion Anderson (Entered NBA Draft, returned for another season), Michael Bramos (Spain), Al Fisher (Israel), Chris McKnight (Kent: Sweden) disagree with that fact.

Doing the same search I find Polk is the only BG player still playing over seas from the same time period.

The non BG players are all typically playing at higher levels in Europe to boot.
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BleedOrange wrote:Yes, many HS boys set their sites on the NBA or Europe, so they pick a school that's the best possible platform for that purpose. That would clearly explain why a kid picks Michigan State over BG. However, that does NOT explain why a kid picks one MAC school over another. Fact is, those schools you list haven't had any more success putting kids in the NBA or Europe than we have. That's just a simple fact.
Just doing a quick look, Dru Joyce (Germany), Romeo Travis (Israel), Chris Singletary (Hungary), Armon Bassett (Israel), Carlos Medlock (UK), Darion Anderson (Entered NBA Draft, returned for another season), Michael Bramos (Spain), Al Fisher (Israel), Chris McKnight (Kent: Sweden) disagree with that fact.

Doing the same search I find Polk is the only BG player still playing over seas from the same time period.

The non BG players are all typically playing at higher levels in Europe to boot.

You can add Ty Kent to that European list. Kent is scoring big in Cyprus (insert Gene Cross joke here)..
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For a conference the size of the MAC...that doesn't seem like a very impressive number of players drawing a check for...to use the slang...ballin'
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Flipper wrote:For a conference the size of the MAC...that doesn't seem like a very impressive number of players drawing a check for...to use the slang...ballin'

UT has several others p[laying in Europe or elsewhere- just not from that period. Stempin, Shaw, Triplett, Ingram-I think, Amos- all are playing at some professional level. I'm guessing a lot of other MAC teams have some as well- are Antonio Daniels and the BG guy from Canton still playing pro somewhere? I'm sure Kent and Miami have a bundle in various leagues around.
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Flipper wrote:For a conference the size of the MAC...that doesn't seem like a very impressive number of players drawing a check for...to use the slang...ballin'
Like I said, I did a very quick, brief look.

I'm sure there are more I'm missing, but my point being compared to other MAC schools, BG doesn't send many players to play professionally.
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Flipper wrote:For a conference the size of the MAC...that doesn't seem like a very impressive number of players drawing a check for...to use the slang...ballin'
There are dozens of former MACers playing in Europe.
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cph2133 wrote:
BleedOrange wrote:Yes, many HS boys set their sites on the NBA or Europe, so they pick a school that's the best possible platform for that purpose. That would clearly explain why a kid picks Michigan State over BG. However, that does NOT explain why a kid picks one MAC school over another. Fact is, those schools you list haven't had any more success putting kids in the NBA or Europe than we have. That's just a simple fact.
Just doing a quick look, Dru Joyce (Germany), Romeo Travis (Israel), Chris Singletary (Hungary), Armon Bassett (Israel), Carlos Medlock (UK), Darion Anderson (Entered NBA Draft, returned for another season), Michael Bramos (Spain), Al Fisher (Israel), Chris McKnight (Kent: Sweden) disagree with that fact.

Doing the same search I find Polk is the only BG player still playing over seas from the same time period.

The non BG players are all typically playing at higher levels in Europe to boot.
Nate Miller is playing in Israel as well
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Any links/websites available to follow Polk and Miller overseas.
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Like the opening said, I am not trying to be negative, but I firmly believe that an issue becomes where we want to put our money, and football takes a huge chunk. Look at AKLR and Gonzaga and Butler - no football, and AKLR and Gonzaga have both mens and womens teams in the tournament. Here is hoping that the Frack money can overcome this......
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Siborg wrote:Any links/websites available to follow Polk and Miller overseas.
http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... rID=115881 (Otis: Averaging 9 pts, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks)

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... rID=115879 (Miller: Averaging 23 pts, 7.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 3 steals)
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Antonio Daniels is actually still playing basketball, only not in the NBA right now, but in the NBA D League with the Texas Legends. I would imagine this might have been part of the reason he wasn't able to make it back to BG for the final regular season game at Anderson Arena.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/a ... l?nav=page
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In the middle of this topic there was some good debate, but nothing that changed my mind. Actually, I'm more convinced than ever that the time to change our coach is now!
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