Now is the time

[JoeFalcon]

The issue here is that we don't know what Christopher's standard is on evaluating coaches. What exactly does it take for a coach to be let go? One losing season, multiple losing seasons, multiple mediocre seasons, NCAA violations, attendence, intagible elements about the "direction" of the program, etc.? A situation to look at would be Nothern Illinois. Their recently dismissed coach came in at the same time as Orr, racked up 4 losing seasons, ruffled some feathers in the Chicago Public League coaching community and that was the ballgame.

I would imagine that with the Stroh Center and the Frack donation, the performance expectations would be raised from whatever they were in the past.

[transfer2BGSU]

The issue here is that we don't know what Christopher's standard is on evaluating coaches. What exactly does it take for a coach to be let go? One losing season, multiple losing seasons, multiple mediocre seasons, NCAA violations, attendance, intangible elements about the "direction" of the program, etc.? A situation to look at would be Northern Illinois. Their recently dismissed coach came in at the same time as Orr, racked up 4 losing seasons, ruffled some feathers in the Chicago Public League coaching community and that was the ballgame.

I would imagine that with the Stroh Center and the Frack donation, the performance expectations would be raised from whatever they were in the past.

I would also guess that two individuals speak with Greg Christopher about their feelings on the status of the program and play into his considerations.

[Falcon Commander]

Urban's wife and who else?

[Hdog]

Cam Black grew about 2 inches this season (honest, from his mother's mouth) so he has "growing pains", pun intended.HoopsFan

Can this be confirmed? He would then be 7'0"?!?! When healthy earlier this season he was playing well and hitting the glass. I don’t think he is quite on Zeke Marshall’s level, but pretty close.

Orr desperately needs Cam Black to have a solid year next year. I don’t see how Orr survives if the team has a year like this year again

[h2oville rocket]

Cam Black grew about 2 inches this season (honest, from his mother's mouth) so he has "growing pains", pun intended.HoopsFan

Can this be confirmed? He would then be 7'0"?!?! When healthy earlier this season he was playing well and hitting the glass. I don’t think he is quite on Zeke Marshall’s level, but pretty close.

Orr desperately needs Cam Black to have a solid year next year. I don’t see how Orr survives if the team has a year like this year again

He's nowhere near Zeke MArshall's level and Zeke MArshall isn't that good. 2 for 13 today, for example.

[CrazyFan]

Orr will lead us to a tournament berth within the next two years. I have absolutely no doubts about the quality of his coaching or his recruiting

After a long, hard day at work, its nice to come on here and get a great laugh! Thank you for that Drumstix2388.

Larranaga and Dakich at least gave us some super quality wins...Larranaga gave MSU their first loss ever in the Breslin Center and won at Kentucky and may have had a couple more. Meanwhile Dakich gave us the best season in my lifetime with 99-00 and was absolutely robbed by the selection committee. Orr one a regular season championship with Dakich's team and to call it a championship is absolutely stretching it to the limits.

And others may say otherwise, but I support this program! I just want competitive excellence. Not .500 MAC basketball.

Thank you for some commen sense ZuluWarrior. That was much needed also. Im glad someone else realizes this instead of trying to use that championship as the reason Orr is such a great coach and should keep his job. Nate Miller, along with a few other timely MAC meltdowns, won that championship for us. But you can only carry a team so far and then we fall back into old Orr form and get bounced from the Tourney.

[Flipper]

Since we've never won the MAC tournament, getting bounced from it would be the Weinert, Larranaga, Dakich and Orr form...

[CrazyFan]

Since we've never won the MAC tournament, getting bounced from it would be the Weinert, Larranaga, Dakich and Orr form...

That would be correct. So let me say we fall back into true Ore form and get bounced once a single player can't carry the team anymore, hence the past 2 seasons, and soon to be the upcoming season. But we'll be good this upcoming season! (Even though Crackron, Kent, Western, Miami and OU are returning a lot of starters and are all going to be really good also). One of the sophmores or juniors from this years team is just going to all of a sudden stand up and decide he wants to be a team leader now! If we had anyone on this team that was capable of being a team leader and leading a team to a championship that person would of already shown up and taken advantage or poor leadership this year and the previous. We have the same shooters and same inept offense and spotty defense back next year. Nothing is going to change and were gonna be at this same point in 360 days, except with a few more people looking for a change. We are so accustomed to mediocrity in this program that we shrug our shoulders on a season like this and use the "wait till next year" excuse. What people dont realize is as we get better, everyone else gets better. What a joke.