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daspollak wrote:Hammb I'm actually for boosters footing the bill. If they want to have their schools succeed why not? Second, is the other benefits they recieved. I just laugh at those rules, especially since many high ranking NCAA officials have received gifts and other benefits from potential sponsors. The NCAA is non-profit in name only.
I'm not in favor of boosters or sponsoring footing the bill for specific programs. That will only further the inequality between the haves and havenots of college athletics. Not a fan of it at all. The only way it is justified to pay players is if all players at all schools will get equal treatment. Where that money comes from is the question.

If you want to do that you may as well just say that it's another professional sports league, and I would argue that BG should completely close up shop. They'd never compete on any level with the money other schools would get pumped into their system so it wouldn't be worth trying. They'd be better off to close the athletic department and put the student fees to education.
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You can't do equal treatment, because all schools are not created equal. That is the fact of life, and I don't believe all schools should be treated equal. If boosters were allowed to pay, Harvard would have the best chance of fielding an elite team. Football is the one sport where there is no alternative for a HS kid to take his talents and get paid. Basketball kids can go to Europe, baseball has an effective minor league system, and soccer has a development system where they can get paid. Football brings in a lot of money on the backs of those kids, and they should have better compensation for their wear and tear they put on their bodies.

If you did want to make football more equal you would have to make them distribute the TV money more evenly, but that is a topic for another thread.
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daspollak wrote:You can't do equal treatment, because all schools are not created equal. That is the fact of life, and I don't believe all schools should be treated equal. If boosters were allowed to pay, Harvard would have the best chance of fielding an elite team. Football is the one sport where there is no alternative for a HS kid to take his talents and get paid. Basketball kids can go to Europe, baseball has an effective minor league system, and soccer has a development system where they can get paid. Football brings in a lot of money on the backs of those kids, and they should have better compensation for their wear and tear they put on their bodies.

If you did want to make football more equal you would have to make them distribute the TV money more evenly, but that is a topic for another thread.
Those kids are compensated with 10s, if not 100s, of thousands of dollars worth in scholarship and living expenses.

You are wrong that they don't have other options. First of all, it's nobody's god given right to be able to play football. They are playing NCAA football because it is one of their options. They also have the option to play in the CFL, the various arena leagues, and other minor football leagues. They also have the option of not playing football and getting a job right out of HS, or just going to school as a regular student. They've got tons of options. They CHOOSE to play college football because A) Some value the education that they're receiving, and B) They enjoy football, and C) It is their best bet to playing in the NFL. Nobody is making them do this. They are choosing to maintain amateur status for the opportunities they gain both in scholarships, and potentially future pro aspirations.

Football brings in a lot of money at the highest levels, yes, but not everywhere. Football is a losing endeavour at the MAC level, and is probably only barely profitable even at some of the lower tier BCS schools. There is a ton of money, but it's not evenly distributed. And MOST of that money goes to funding all the non revenue generating sports.

The one thing nobody seems to remember is that if these kids need spending money while in college they can all go out and get student loans like every other kid on campus. They can live the high life while in school and still probably leave with far less debt than the average student. When you get down to it they are making a LOT of money to play sports...between the living expenses, clothing allowances, books, and tuition they are not playing for "peanuts" as so many seem to think. A ND football player is probably pulling in over $50k a year, and we're saying they deserve MORE money? If they feel exploited, I suggest they take their talents to a lesser football league and see what the real world is paying.
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hammb wrote:
daspollak wrote:You can't do equal treatment, because all schools are not created equal. That is the fact of life, and I don't believe all schools should be treated equal. If boosters were allowed to pay, Harvard would have the best chance of fielding an elite team. Football is the one sport where there is no alternative for a HS kid to take his talents and get paid. Basketball kids can go to Europe, baseball has an effective minor league system, and soccer has a development system where they can get paid. Football brings in a lot of money on the backs of those kids, and they should have better compensation for their wear and tear they put on their bodies.

If you did want to make football more equal you would have to make them distribute the TV money more evenly, but that is a topic for another thread.
Those kids are compensated with 10s, if not 100s, of thousands of dollars worth in scholarship and living expenses.

You are wrong that they don't have other options. First of all, it's nobody's god given right to be able to play football. They are playing NCAA football because it is one of their options. They also have the option to play in the CFL, the various arena leagues, and other minor football leagues. They also have the option of not playing football and getting a job right out of HS, or just going to school as a regular student. They've got tons of options. They CHOOSE to play college football because A) Some value the education that they're receiving, and B) They enjoy football, and C) It is their best bet to playing in the NFL. Nobody is making them do this. They are choosing to maintain amateur status for the opportunities they gain both in scholarships, and potentially future pro aspirations.

Football brings in a lot of money at the highest levels, yes, but not everywhere. Football is a losing endeavour at the MAC level, and is probably only barely profitable even at some of the lower tier BCS schools. There is a ton of money, but it's not evenly distributed. And MOST of that money goes to funding all the non revenue generating sports.

The one thing nobody seems to remember is that if these kids need spending money while in college they can all go out and get student loans like every other kid on campus. They can live the high life while in school and still probably leave with far less debt than the average student. When you get down to it they are making a LOT of money to play sports...between the living expenses, clothing allowances, books, and tuition they are not playing for "peanuts" as so many seem to think. A ND football player is probably pulling in over $50k a year, and we're saying they deserve MORE money? If they feel exploited, I suggest they take their talents to a lesser football league and see what the real world is paying.
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Nicely put Hammb. Let's also not forget that these athlete's can get summer jobs.
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jay paterno makes some excellent points on why student athletes do NOT need to get paid:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/ ... to-be-paid

i also agree that these guys can get summer jobs, just like the rest of us had to. i had academic scholarships that basically covered the cost of books and supplies, and i also worked part-time during the school year for a little extra spending money. anyone who suggests these student athletes are taken advantage of is ludicrous when in some cases these kids are already getting the equivalent of $250,000 in education during their 5 years on campus.
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1boisebro wrote:jay paterno makes some excellent points on why student athletes do NOT need to get paid:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/ ... to-be-paid

i also agree that these guys can get summer jobs, just like the rest of us had to. i had academic scholarships that basically covered the cost of books and supplies, and i also worked part-time during the school year for a little extra spending money. anyone who suggests these student athletes are taken advantage of is ludicrous when in some cases these kids are already getting the equivalent of $250,000 in education during their 5 years on campus.
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and how are you going to pay the female athletes? Or does everyone forget about title IX?
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redskins4ever wrote:and how are you going to pay the female athletes? Or does everyone forget about title IX?
Assuming you were going to pay athletes wouldn't you pay them the same way you pay everyone else? I can't imagine how else it would work.
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Many college football players are not there for education. OSU is a prime example of this. Andy Katzenmoyer(Sp?) took a joke of a schedule so he could get the grades to play football. Now he is out of football making a living being a HS football coach, but he did make a nice chunk of change the few years he did play. Pay the kids for their hard work, get rid of scholarships, and make them pay for school.
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Why is this even in question? These athletes are already being compensated. Sure, a brand like Ohio State or Michigan can afford to pay, but 90-95% of college programs finish the year in the red financially.
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And think about this one........if were paying the student athletes, that's A LOT more spending income for them to get into trouble with. What are they going to spend it on?? With all the problems athletes (primarily football, basketball and hockey athletes) are currently getting into (drugs, DUI's, public intox's), by paying the athletes this only gives them more money and more access to a dime bag, or a bottle of goose or hennessey, or other items that can just cause more issues off the field for a program. When i was in college i would of done the exact same thing (except for drugs). If i had more money I probably would of went to the bars more or bought more alcohol and drank more. I wouldnt of been to interested in "going to a movie" with my extra cash. Would you, when you were a college student, done a few more bad things (drugs or alcohol) in college if you had extra cash lying around?? It's only natural for a college student in a college environment to want to do that and I dont blame the student athlete for wanting to have more fun. But it would just lead to a lot more off the field/court/ice/whatever else issues. And then could lead to on the court issues; suspensions for violating team rules, being kicked off a squad for more serious issues, firing of coaches for not being able to control their players in their program, etc, etc, etc. Just a thought.
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