And the Browns......

[TG1996]

We ended up about 30 rows off the field in the end zone for $10 under face value *after* StubHub "service" and "delivery" fees. Probably could have done even better if we REALLY waited until the last minute.

I always had a hunch these fans were bandwagon. Never realized it was going to be this obvious. The whole "Blue Friday" thing? I've got about 20-30 people in the office today and not one is wearing anything "Colts Blue", much less Colts shirts and jerseys.

[tiznow]

Bob Lamey, the Colts announcer is horrible. He is a homer like alot of announcers, but when the Colts are playing bad he always blames the officials. His broadcasts are so bad that it is comical. He also over announces, ie. calls a TD for the Colts before it happens and the play results in a turnover.

Tony, hopefully you can enjoy listening to the post game call in show after the Browns win.

[TG1996]

Good thing I didn't bet the mortgage. That was awesome.

Somehow ended up in a row behind about 10 more Browns fans, like a mini-Dawg Pound. I didn't see any signs around the outside of the stadium, but apparently the bandwagon starts leaving in the third quarter around here. Great place to see a game, though. I might have to go back in December when tickets fall below $10.

[kdog27]

woof

[gmartin]

When was the last time the Lions and Bills started tbe season 3-0. Two great comebacks.

[VDub26Falcon]

Saw a great tweet yesterday read something like "Buffalo and Detroit 3-0, Cleveland 2-1, the moon should be hitting Earth any second now."

[gmartin]

The Browns lost a heartbreak today. Lol. While the comeback kitties gave Dallas its biggest collapse ever to go 4-0. Megatron came up big with two more TD catches, thats 8 for the season.

[hammb]

The Browns lost a heartbreak today. Lol. While the comeback kitties gave Dallas its biggest collapse ever to go 4-0. Megatron came up big with two more TD catches, thats 8 for the season.

Detroit is for real because when healthy they have a legit franchise qb.

Cleveland is a product of a horrid level of competition. Unless McCoy starts playing a helluva lot better they need to find a qb.

[bgsufalcon24]

The Browns need some freaking wide receivers. I don't think McCoy is looking to throw inside to the tight end or checkdowns to the RB on every single play, but that's what is happening.

You put a big play WR on this roster and they might be a playoff team...seriously that's the one thing they lack most. Sure they aren't exactly filled out on defense either but they have impact players on that side of the ball. On offense you have one at LT, one at RB, and a couple of decent TEs. That's it. I put the blame much more on the receivers than I do on McCoy.

[Warthog]

I'm off the Colt McCoy bandwagon. You can blame the WRs if you want, but how many times did he even attempt to throw to a WR yesterday? And don't tell me they weren't open because the check down guys he was throwing it to were blanketed. I can't believe the WRs were being covered that well also.

McCoy looked like a rookie yesterday, afraid to deliver the ball. This is the NFL. WRs aren't going to be running wide open with no defenders around them. The window to deliver the ball is much smaller and McCoy looked like he was afraid to put the ball out there. Always hesitating, them dumping to a TE or back.

Sadly, the Browns have already won two games which probably takes them out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

[bgsufalcon24]

Sadly, the Browns have already won two games which probably takes them out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

You think somebody's going 1-15? That seems pretty outlandish to me.

Of course, the Browns ain't losing out either, they'd be more likely to get 8 wins than 2 given the teams they face this season.

[hammb]

You were at the Miami game too weren't you Warthog? In that game this so-called pathetic WR group was running free in the secondary all game long. Still McCoy couldn't get the ball to them when/where it needed to be. Yesterday he missed an early throw to Watson on a drag route that was assuredly going to put the ball inside the 5, if not a TD.

All those passes he was completing for 5-7 yards? Well, those guys found soft spots in the zone. If the ball gets to that spot the same time the receiver does it's a catch in stride with the potential for additional YAC. Instead he never throws the ball in time to do that.

Right now he looks LOST. The WCO (and really ALL NFL offenses) is about timing. The ball needs to be at the right spot at the right time. He is ALWAYS a day late on his throws...waiting for guys to come open before he actually pulls the trigger. You can't do that in the NFL, ESPECIALLY when you're as physically limited as he is. When you have a weaker arm (and he's well below league average I don't give a s**t what other Browns fans say) you have to make up for it with anticipation. He's not even close to that yet...

I'm not going to say he'll never learn to see plays quicker, but much like Brees and other weak armed QBs it may take him years before he's a worthwhile NFL starter. And there is no guarantee that it will ever happen.

Actually my issue with McCoy is the same as it was on draft day. There is always the possibility that he's going to develop those anticipation skills...who the hell knows, I don't think anybody can predict that. My problem is that his accuracy is not nearly what people think it is, and it never really was. The only passes he routinely puts on target are those dump offs to a stationary target. When he's attempting to hit a guy in stride it's pretty rare that the ball is in the spot where it really needs to be. And when he goes downfield it's even more rare that it's a catchable ball.

Drew Brees (everybody's favorite McCoy comparison...because he's about the only weak armed small guy succeeding nowadays) has elite accuracy & anticipation skills to make up for his lack of arm strength and size. Maybe McCoy can play long enough and learn those anticipation skills, but his accuracy is nowhere near elite...and THAT is something I don't believe he'll ever learn...you're born with that.

I wouldn't throw McCoy away, I could be wrong, but if he doesn't show serious improvement in the next 12 games I'd be preparing to move up in the draft with those 2 first rounders and get a new QB. Hopefully the other top flight prospects will come out this year with Luck. Personally I like Barkley just as well, and Landry Jones is no slouch either. Foles & Robert Griffin III are potential first rounders as well when it's all said and done.

[Flipper]

Going back to last year, the Lions have won eight (8!!!) in a row, including five on the road. ESPN has probablity calculators based on a rolling ten years of data. Last week when the Lions trailed by 20, they had a 2% chance of winning based on the calculator. They trailed 27-3 in the third QTR this week and had only a 1% chance of winning. That's team of destiny stuff....

When you have a QB like Stafford who can make any throw you want...a WR like Megatron who's just a freak with that size speed and hands....a RB like Best who can find a seam and turn a dump off into a 50 yrd gain...when you have that many weapons (along with TE Pettigrew and WR Burleson). You are never really out of it...

[kdog27]

Always playing for the draft, where does it ever get us

[hammb]

Always playing for the draft, where does it ever get us

The past 2 drafts have been pretty good, and I think the Browns are building a pretty decent young core. Thomas, Hardesty (assuming health), Little, Mack, Taylor, Sheard, Rubin, Haden, and Ward are all guys that I think can eventually be starters on a playoff team. Haden & Thomas are already stars.

The problem is that in this league if you don't hit on a QB you won't make the playoffs...the rest of the team DOES NOT MATTER. If you get the type of QB play the Browns have gotten recently the rest of the team is totally irrelevant.

Until the Browns finally get a decent QB they'll continue to be shitty. McCoy is one of the worst 5 starters in the NFL right now, and that's why they blow. Personally I fu**ing HATE physically limited QBs and the Browns (and their fanbase, for whatever reason) seem to love them. Give me a guy like Stafford and I'll live with his mistakes because I know he's going to A) Take the necessary chances to create big plays, and B) Has the physical ability to make things happen.