BEAT OHIO!

[mc3022]

D has gotta step up

[Flipper]

Why Hopgood or Martin? Geiger's doing fine....

Anther Turnover would be nice here...

[Globetrotter]

Is he a better pro prospect than Freddie Barnes was coming out?

I don't think Jordan is a draftable prospect, so I'd say he's pretty similar, in that regard. I definitely think Jordan has a better shot to make an NFL roster.

Freddie was never even considered close to an NFL prospect. He wasn't an NFL caliber athlete. Due to his great senior season I remember hearing a LOT of fans bring up his name only to have people who scout promptly shoot it down as nothing more than a college system guy.

Of course the alternative is that I haven't heard a single mention of Kamar as a prospect, so I'm not sure if that's better or worse...

I do know there is one Jordan from the MAC that will get drafted this year...Jordan White from WMU. He's been talked about as a mid rounder all season, and when we went to the WMU game he just looked like a different caliber of athlete than everybody else on the field.

You talk to scouts?

I don't talk to people who are employed as scouts for NFL teams, no.

However, the draft discussion board on the Browns Scout.com site is VERY good with at least 3 people who are paid to scout/write about prospects...mostly for websites. One of them I've talked to and met a few times over the past decade who was a former coach at Akron and wanted to get into pro scouting...instead he now works for ESPN. Another guy there works in an agent's office and talks to NFL scouts pretty routinely.

The guys aren't perhaps as credible as an actual NFL scout would be, but they know their s**t. I would put either of their knowledge above that of the big ESPN talking heads like Kiper/McShay...those guys mostly get stuff fed to them...the guys I talk to study film and form their own opinions. And I can just about guarantee if I asked them about Kamar Jordan they would have an informed opinion of him.

cool

I would say that Jordan could be drafted but will most likely be in a camp. Not sure he has any incredible traits. You never know who teams fall in love with at the end of the draft.

[Flipper]

Blowing a 4th qtr lead would be so 2008....

[Globetrotter]

Why Hopgood or Martin? Geiger's doing fine....

Anther Turnover would be nice here...

Not that he is doing poorly but I just thought he was far down the depth chart. I thought it went Ant, Hop, Martin, Geiger.




Anther note, Our guys hit so soft.

[mc3022]

Why Hopgood or Martin? Geiger's doing fine....

Anther Turnover would be nice here...

Not that he is doing poorly but I just thought he was far down the depth chart. I thought it went Ant, Hop, Martin, Geiger.




Anther note, Our guys hit so soft.

Hop is out the rest of the year...I believe Martin got hurt in the 1st quarter

[Globetrotter]

Why Hopgood or Martin? Geiger's doing fine....

Anther Turnover would be nice here...

Not that he is doing poorly but I just thought he was far down the depth chart. I thought it went Ant, Hop, Martin, Geiger.




Anther note, Our guys hit so soft.

Hop is out the rest of the year...I believe Martin got hurt in the 1st quarter

That makes more sense.

[mc3022]

4th down D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Globetrotter]

Horrible refs.

[mc3022]

Wow....he moved terrible call

[Globetrotter]

We are doing what Toledo did at the end of that game.

[hammb]

Ugh...we simply MUST stop them on 3rd down here. Their kicker looks like he's pretty much money...

[daspollak]

MAC officials suck!

[mc3022]

Bentley is right, you have to be using your TO's here, especially with 1 yard to go. Can't let Ohio hit a FG with no time left.

[jpfalcon09]

Shame on everyone if they blow this game