As reported on a rival board...

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:16 am

Flipper wrote:
But if we're going to admit that this problem is symptomatic of a problem at the University, aren't we admitting that it's a problem applicable to the country as a whole? Aren't we, as Americans, a bunch of crazed, irresponsible maniacs behind the wheel. Isn' t that what you're saying, 1987?*

Well, if you and your cronies want to spend your day bashing the USA, on Inauguration day no less, you can go right ahead. I'm going to kick back and open a can of Yankee Doodle whoop ass and watch GW take the oath!

(*Thanks to Doug Kenney <RIP> and the rest of the National Lampoon for providing me with that premise)

You funny.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:16 am

1987alum wrote:Flame away.

No sir. You hit the nail on the head.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:16 pm

I wonder if you took a random sample of male students from the BGSU population if the records and offenses would be much different. I am guessing that it would not be. Traffic violations and drinking related arrests are pretty common among young adults.

factman · Post by **factman** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:25 pm

I am also very proud of Jovon Burkes defending a University police officer who was getting attacked, was charged by the city, because they knew no better, and the charges were eventually dropped.
Just some more of the "charges" that were cited on this irrational post of Ranger Rocket.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:22 pm

Sure sure, he helped a cop out when the cop was being attacked by a couple of thugs, but he got two traffic tickets...how can you defend that?

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:13 pm

Thankfully for Bancroft Tech, the City of Toledo does not have a searchable database online for court records...at least not one that I can find.

Probably with all the crime in Toledo there is not a computer with enough memory to house it all

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:45 pm

They have one, but you need a SSN to search. We went over it in our CRJU class.

Falcon Fanatic · Post by **Falcon Fanatic** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:47 pm

BGDrew wrote:They have one, but you need a SSN to search. We went over it in our CRJU class.

So, did the rocket guy have the SSN's of all of those BG players? I highly doubt it. You can go into the county municipal sites and get the information. I have done it in the past. There is a seach area that you type in the name and it brings up all records of violations for that name. I am sure that is how dildo-boy did it. He just went to Wood County's site and started punching in the names of BG players.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:05 pm

Falcon Fanatic wrote:
BGDrew wrote:They have one, but you need a SSN to search. We went over it in our CRJU class.
So, did the rocket guy have the SSN's of all of those BG players? I highly doubt it. You can go into the county municipal sites and get the information. I have done it in the past. There is a seach area that you type in the name and it brings up all records of violations for that name. I am sure that is how dildo-boy did it. He just went to Wood County's site and started punching in the names of BG players.

He's saying that the website for Lucas County won't let you search by name, you need the SSN. BG's will let you search by name.

Not sure as to the validity of his claim, but that's what he's trying to say, I think.

goofyeuph · Post by **goofyeuph** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:14 pm

Drunken disorderly, traffic violations, minor theft, underage drinking??? Is that all?? I've done them all (only I didn't get caught for most of them). Kids will be kids, and as a kid myself I admit that I sometimes act like one. I think I'm going to make some e-z mac, seasoned with my stolen salt shaker from sh*td*al and have a beer.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:55 pm

Yep, that's what I'm saying and here's the website:
http://www.toledomunicipalcourt.org/services/cats.asp

BGSUSynchroSk8r2006 · Post by **BGSUSynchroSk8r2006** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:25 am

Well yeah, no college team is perfect. Who hasn't received a traffic ticket ever in their life?? You'd have to be pretty damn perfect not to. Sure, there is more on that list than traffic violations, but NOTHING even comes CLOSE to things that UT players have done. Selling Oxycontin (an EXTREMELY addictive and dangerous drug) doesn't even compare to traffic tickets (BG cops are Nazis about that too), underage drinking (who doesn't??), and other violations like that. I don't even understand where those people's thinking gets so off track and so distorted to think that those charges even compare to one another. Are they THAT dilusional? They just confirmed everything negative I've thought about TU. No one is assuming that our program is perfect, every college team will have skeletons in their closets. It's COLLEGE. You EXPECT underage drinking and traffic violations from college students. What you DON'T expect is for a college student athlete to be trafficing very dangerous drugs. From here on out, whenever a TU student athlete screws up (which they inevitably will, it's in their nature to do so) we shouldn't sing the praises of our team's squeaky clean record, because it doesn't exist. We now, however, have a ton more ammo to fire back at them since they consider these different types of offenses to be similar to one another.

Sounds to me like pretty severe Falcon envy.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:58 am

BGSUSynchroSk8r2006 wrote:Well yeah, no college team is perfect. Who hasn't received a traffic ticket ever in their life?? You'd have to be pretty damn perfect not to. Sure, there is more on that list than traffic violations, but NOTHING even comes CLOSE to things that UT players have done. Selling Oxycontin (an EXTREMELY addictive and dangerous drug) doesn't even compare to traffic tickets (BG cops are Nazis about that too), underage drinking (who doesn't??), and other violations like that. I don't even understand where those people's thinking gets so off track and so distorted to think that those charges even compare to one another. Are they THAT dilusional? They just confirmed everything negative I've thought about TU. No one is assuming that our program is perfect, every college team will have skeletons in their closets. It's COLLEGE. You EXPECT underage drinking and traffic violations from college students. What you DON'T expect is for a college student athlete to be trafficing very dangerous drugs. From here on out, whenever a TU student athlete screws up (which they inevitably will, it's in their nature to do so) we shouldn't sing the praises of our team's squeaky clean record, because it doesn't exist. We now, however, have a ton more ammo to fire back at them since they consider these different types of offenses to be similar to one another.

Sounds to me like pretty severe Falcon envy.

Can we just all take a deep breath?

Isn't it enough to rest quietly secure in the knowledge that our university is more selective and more reputable than Toledo? That our athletic department has never been guilty of a major NCAA infraction?

Isn't it enough to just know this?

Is it really necessary for some of us to go further by pointing to the mistakes made by some of the other young men who play in our conference, lord it over them, and try to bootstrap it into some sort of moral superiority?

Maybe it's me... but I find it really tedious.

Young men make mistakes. I made them. Today's young men make them, too. Some of these young men play football at Toledo. Some of them play football at Bowling Green.

Look, I do agree that the fact that a Toledo player was recently busted for dealing Oxy is worthy of note.

But we probably disagree on why.

I think it's significant because selling Oxy is an incredibly redneck thing to do.

After all the stupid farm and tractor jokes that have been hurled our way from the nroth, one of *their* players gets busted for selling Oxy?

If one our players gets busted with a mound of crack cocaine tommorrow, that says nothing about my morals and it probably says nothing about Gregg Brandon's morals. The only question is how Brandon would handle it -- and I figure he'll probably handle it appropriately.

So the only other thing worth talking about at that point would be whether Brandon was a good judge of character and bringing the right young men into our program.

That would be a discussion long on conjecture and short on hard evidence -- a whole lot of tedious reading, much like some of these threads that get going here about Toledo.

I don't like tedious threads.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:51 am

Schade:

bacn3 · Post by **bacn3** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:23 pm

Where did this guy get all this information from? Does anyone have a link?