New videoboard should be ready by spring game

[hammb]

For the record..I like hockey...in the late 70's, the games on WBGU TV were my first exposure to the University. Right now? I don't know...we haven't had a winning squad since the mid 90's. The league we built and for a time dominated has gone (as hammb said) the way of the dodo. I'd love to see the program rebound...but I just don't see how it can. It wasn't relevant as a member of a power conference...how will it be relevant as a part of a third tier league? Will winning the WCHA title mean anything more than winning the MAC football title?

I'm beginning to think we need to consider easing our way down the ladder...I truly believe we're going to have a really good football team next year...really really good...so what? At best we'll win our league, go to the Pizza Bowl and be ranked at best in the low 20's nationally. We lose money in doing so too. we can play CMU or drop down and play Wayne State...either way, at the most 10,000 people will actually show up...

This is where I'm at as well Flipper. I LOVE BG football, but the product has gotten so bad I'm not sure it's worth the investment anymore. I like Hockey as well, but I think the program is dying a slow death and the demise of the CCHA is just another step in that direction.

I think we're to the point where we must admit we cannot fund a full Division 1 Athletic Department anymore. Not well enough to be competitive in all the sports, anyhow. I think it's time for the department to scale back and pick and choose which sports they wish to compete at on the highest level. Given the success of the women's program, the great new facility, and the huge endowment of the men's program, I think basketball is where we should be concentrating our resources.

Spending truckloads of cash to remain a D1A MAC football team seems to make less and less sense every year.

[Falcon137]

Just my 2 cents...hockey gives the school almost no publicity boost.

Outside of the small number of schools that have D1 hockey and their fans who follows college hockey?

Miami has one of the best teams in the country year in and year out...almost no one in Southwest Ohio (Dayton or Cincy) care 1 bit about hockey.

They talk about Miami football and the MAC. Miami hockey gets 1 paragraph on page 8 of the sports, when they're ranked in the top 10. People simply don't care about it.

If BG beats Florida next year...there will be kids in San Francisco, Austin, Boston and all over looking at the bgsufalcons.com and bgsu.edu. They'll be on sportscenter, college football live, etc.

If you want to focus on basketball and stop spending $ on football, who do you model yourself after? Wright State?

I couldn't name you 5 really successful public schools with no football. Charlotte is one and really....they've had average success.

I know BG got the huge endowment for basketball, but, to really compete year in and year out you need to spend at least 3-5 million annually.

Here are a few schools basketball only revenues...
Xavier- $10,055,970
Dayton- $9,846,857
Charlotte- $2,266,323

Could BG come close to those numbers? Xavier and Dayton's basketball programs pay for everything. After expenses UD netted 6.1 million.

Could BG pay a head coach $850,000? 4 assistants 100k?

Will BG's men's basketball draw more than 25,000 total fans this year? You can't think about basketball being your main income if you can't draw more than 2,000 a game.

Could the athletic department afford to lose the 1 million + the football team gets for going to Ohio State, Florida, West Virginia, etc. each year?
BG football is a lot closer than men's basketball to making any sort of national noise.

[AyZiggy97]

For the record..I like hockey...in the late 70's, the games on WBGU TV were my first exposure to the University. Right now? I don't know...we haven't had a winning squad since the mid 90's. The league we built and for a time dominated has gone (as hammb said) the way of the dodo. I'd love to see the program rebound...but I just don't see how it can. It wasn't relevant as a member of a power conference...how will it be relevant as a part of a third tier league? Will winning the WCHA title mean anything more than winning the MAC football title?

I'm beginning to think we need to consider easing our way down the ladder...I truly believe we're going to have a really good football team next year...really really good...so what? At best we'll win our league, go to the Pizza Bowl and be ranked at best in the low 20's nationally. We lose money in doing so too. we can play CMU or drop down and play Wayne State...either way, at the most 10,000 people will actually show up...

This is where I'm at as well Flipper. I LOVE BG football, but the product has gotten so bad I'm not sure it's worth the investment anymore. I like Hockey as well, but I think the program is dying a slow death and the demise of the CCHA is just another step in that direction.

I think we're to the point where we must admit we cannot fund a full Division 1 Athletic Department anymore. Not well enough to be competitive in all the sports, anyhow. I think it's time for the department to scale back and pick and choose which sports they wish to compete at on the highest level. Given the success of the women's program, the great new facility, and the huge endowment of the men's program, I think basketball is where we should be concentrating our resources.

Spending truckloads of cash to remain a D1A MAC football team seems to make less and less sense every year.

A school cannot field a certain sport at one division and all others at a lower division.

[Falconfreak90]

Maybe Freak has room in his Falcon nest at home?

Would make a hell of a nice Christmas present!

[Falcon137]

Can someone explain the money saver to dropping to 1-AA. Those schools are all full scholarships, yes?

[transfer2BGSU]

I couldn't name you 5 really successful public schools with no football. Charlotte is one and really....they've had average success.

You still haven't named one. There are a number of schools in Charlotte and the Charlotte area. Do you mean Gardner-Webb University? Queen's College? Davidson College? Catawba University? Belmont Abbey College? University of North Carolina at Charlotte? Bennett College? Johnson C. Smith University?

Can someone explain the money saver to dropping to 1-AA. Those schools are all full scholarships, yes?

FCS schools can give out a maximum number of 63 scholarships.

[AyZiggy97]

Can someone explain the money saver to dropping to 1-AA. Those schools are all full scholarships, yes?

There is no 1-AA. It's FCS. That has a limit of 63 scholarships to something like 85 in the FBS. There is also a minimum number in FBS while there is no minimum in FCS. For instance, Dayton's league does not require any scholarships at all. Yet people on this board are trying to convince us there would be no noticeable decline.

[AyZiggy97]

I couldn't name you 5 really successful public schools with no football. Charlotte is one and really....they've had average success.

You still haven't named one. There are a number of schools in Charlotte and the Charlotte area. Do you mean Gardner-Webb University? Queen's College? Davidson College? Catawba University? Belmont Abbey College? University of North Carolina at Charlotte? Bennett College? Johnson C. Smith University?



University of North Carolina at Charlotte became Charlotte several years ago.

[BGFalconfromCincy]

For the record..I like hockey...in the late 70's, the games on WBGU TV were my first exposure to the University. Right now? I don't know...we haven't had a winning squad since the mid 90's. The league we built and for a time dominated has gone (as hammb said) the way of the dodo. I'd love to see the program rebound...but I just don't see how it can. It wasn't relevant as a member of a power conference...how will it be relevant as a part of a third tier league? Will winning the WCHA title mean anything more than winning the MAC football title?

I'm beginning to think we need to consider easing our way down the ladder...I truly believe we're going to have a really good football team next year...really really good...so what? At best we'll win our league, go to the Pizza Bowl and be ranked at best in the low 20's nationally. We lose money in doing so too. we can play CMU or drop down and play Wayne State...either way, at the most 10,000 people will actually show up...

This is where I'm at as well Flipper. I LOVE BG football, but the product has gotten so bad I'm not sure it's worth the investment anymore. I like Hockey as well, but I think the program is dying a slow death and the demise of the CCHA is just another step in that direction.

I think we're to the point where we must admit we cannot fund a full Division 1 Athletic Department anymore. Not well enough to be competitive in all the sports, anyhow. I think it's time for the department to scale back and pick and choose which sports they wish to compete at on the highest level. Given the success of the women's program, the great new facility, and the huge endowment of the men's program, I think basketball is where we should be concentrating our resources.

Spending truckloads of cash to remain a D1A MAC football team seems to make less and less sense every year.

A school cannot field a certain sport at one division and all others at a lower division.

Actually it could, just not basketball like hammb suggests, no conference would allow that you would have to be independent. It is only going to happen in a sport like hockey (a lot of the schools hockey is their only D1 sport) or baseball (Dallas Baptist made the Super Regionals this year and baseball is their only D1 sport, they are independent and should willing the WAC for baseball) or some of the smaller sports like say lacrosse with John Hopkins

[BGFalconfromCincy]

I couldn't name you 5 really successful public schools with no football. Charlotte is one and really....they've had average success.

And now they are now adding football in a couple of years as well

[hammb]

For the record..I like hockey...in the late 70's, the games on WBGU TV were my first exposure to the University. Right now? I don't know...we haven't had a winning squad since the mid 90's. The league we built and for a time dominated has gone (as hammb said) the way of the dodo. I'd love to see the program rebound...but I just don't see how it can. It wasn't relevant as a member of a power conference...how will it be relevant as a part of a third tier league? Will winning the WCHA title mean anything more than winning the MAC football title?

I'm beginning to think we need to consider easing our way down the ladder...I truly believe we're going to have a really good football team next year...really really good...so what? At best we'll win our league, go to the Pizza Bowl and be ranked at best in the low 20's nationally. We lose money in doing so too. we can play CMU or drop down and play Wayne State...either way, at the most 10,000 people will actually show up...

This is where I'm at as well Flipper. I LOVE BG football, but the product has gotten so bad I'm not sure it's worth the investment anymore. I like Hockey as well, but I think the program is dying a slow death and the demise of the CCHA is just another step in that direction.

I think we're to the point where we must admit we cannot fund a full Division 1 Athletic Department anymore. Not well enough to be competitive in all the sports, anyhow. I think it's time for the department to scale back and pick and choose which sports they wish to compete at on the highest level. Given the success of the women's program, the great new facility, and the huge endowment of the men's program, I think basketball is where we should be concentrating our resources.

Spending truckloads of cash to remain a D1A MAC football team seems to make less and less sense every year.

A school cannot field a certain sport at one division and all others at a lower division.

Actually it could, just not basketball like hammb suggests, no conference would allow that you would have to be independent. It is only going to happen in a sport like hockey (a lot of the schools hockey is their only D1 sport) or baseball (Dallas Baptist made the Super Regionals this year and baseball is their only D1 sport, they are independent and should willing the WAC for baseball) or some of the smaller sports like say lacrosse with John Hopkins

I believe the rule is a school is allowed to play 1 Division 1 sport regardless of the level (or existence) of their other sports.

Perhaps you're correct that we couldn't find a conference for basketball only. If that is true then I'd say save a fortune and drop down to D1AA in football and find a conference that will let us do that...we'd save a fortune in football costs and can put that money towards building a legit basketball program.

The MAC (as per usual) is way behind the times in its thinking and structure. The conference requires D1A football, and D1 basketball, football, baseball, and softball. And we try to run a hockey program to boot. There is just no way, with our fan following, we can compete on all those sports at the highest level anymore. I don't believe any other MAC schools can either. I think the conference as a whole would benefit greatly from dropping to 1AA football and focusing on basketball. Hell, if we saved all that football money we could probably even afford to maintain the hockey program that others are in love with.

[zete]

Yea, in the old days we were lucky to see some highlights of some of those games...

Mr. Claw had better win the league, or at least have a year where he beats the teams he need to beat, or we will be looking for a 32 yo coach.

[RobbyFalcon]

I agree. Installing a new videoboard at the Doyt certainly means we should abolish a few sports and drop down a level or three on the remaining ones. One vital issue we're dodging is; how does the new video board confront the golf and tennis teams AND will the new video board convince that one hotel everyone hates to close?

[footballguy51]

I agree. Installing a new videoboard at the Doyt certainly means we should abolish a few sports and drop down a level or three on the remaining ones. One vital issue we're dodging is; how does the new video board confront the golf and tennis teams AND will the new video board convince that one hotel everyone hates to close?

Yeah, I've failed to see how a topic about a new video board turned into a debate on sports funding. Besides, the entire sports level and funding issue is pointless discussion because it won't ever happen and everybody wants their favorite sport saved and/or funded to its maximum potential.

The new video board is supposed to be bigger, correct? How much bigger?

[Flipper]

This board has been around in one form or another for 9 or 10 years...thanks, Grant....how can anyone be suprised when a discussion careens off into another direction. In fact, you shuld point out the times when we don't stray off topic...I think that happens less frequently.