It's time for BG to put up or shut up!

[Globetrotter]

That was the beginning of the end for him. Always a fan of Dakich but he really seemed to lose the team when he came back.

[zete]

Yea, I think you hit the nail on the head. I don't think the dynamics were the same after he returned. I thought it was strange we took him back.

[BGSU33]

I loved watching some of Larranaga's teams. I worked with his teams for two years (last two years when we had Daniels) and we were fun as he'll to watch play. We ran the floor, scored points, played the "Scramble Defense," we had guys who would motivate players and gets after each other if needed, and we packed the house. Problem was, the damn MAC Tournament, but the MAC was loaded with talent then too. Like others have said, and I agree, Dakich lost his team, and program ultimately, when he left and came back. On could argue BG has suffered a hangover from that event, similar to that of the "Fat Punter" game vs CMU in football for BG. Blackney later admitted himself that game was a killer that they never recovered from as a program.

But back to hoops...I agree with others with Orr. Very likable guy. You want to like him and want him to do well. But this team has simply lacked any intensity or enthusiasm under him IMO. Orr seems very laid back, almost sleepy- like at times. He's the kind of guy you'd love to have as a next door neighbor. But this team is sorely lacking any fire. Oglesby is the only guy I ever see with any fire out there. Sometimes he gets a little carried away with it, but I would rather have that than what we have now. This team has without a doubt adopted his personality. There's no fire, no evident drive, and very little emotion.

[Globetrotter]

I loved watching some of Larranaga's teams. I worked with his teams for two years (last two years when we had Daniels) and we were fun as he'll to watch play. We ran the floor, scored points, played the "Scramble Defense," we had guys who would motivate players and gets after each other if needed, and we packed the house. Problem was, the damn MAC Tournament, but the MAC was loaded with talent then too. Like others have said, and I agree, Dakich lost his team, and program ultimately, when he left and came back. On could argue BG has suffered a hangover from that event, similar to that of the "Fat Punter" game vs CMU in football for BG. Blackney later admitted himself that game was a killer that they never recovered from as a program.

But back to hoops...I agree with others with Orr. Very likable guy. You want to like him and want him to do well. But this team has simply lacked any intensity or enthusiasm under him IMO. Orr seems very laid back, almost sleepy- like at times. He's the kind of guy you'd love to have as a next door neighbor. But this team is sorely lacking any fire. Oglesby is the only guy I ever see with any fire out there. Sometimes he gets a little carried away with it, but I would rather have that than what we have now. This team has without a doubt adopted his personality. There's no fire, no evident drive, and very little emotion.

When Clarke was hot in the second half of that MSU game I think you saw some of that passion. Also The playing style of Crawford really lends to energizing a team. Dunks, great passes and blocked shots really tend to get teams up. I think the problem with this team is that there is no Stacey, Pardon, Nate Miller to get the team up when that stuff is not happening.

[Falconfreak90]

Gotta admit I agree. I really like Coach Orr, classy guy. But the bottom line is winning and we've been barely keeping our heads above water the last few years. We're decent but not good enough on a consistent basis.
I thought this year would be a very good year for BG...remains to be seen.

GO FALCONS

[Rollo83]

I agree that the Orr years are coming to a close. It's been five years and he's 60-66 coming into this year with a 6-7 record as we head into conference play. It's not like we haven't given him a chance to suceed here. Five years is a good indicator and you should be seeing signs of building a program. Sorry, but I just don't see anything here. You can be optimistic and talk about his recruiting but the proofs in the wins and loses.

I said when we hired him, I don't like "retreads." He got canned at Seton Hall so what made us think he was going to be successful here? Because he coached in the Big East he's going to be successful in the MAC?

I prefer the up and coming assistant route myself.

[Drago]

Completely agree on the passion and excitement. It is something both he and Clawson really lack. Bergeron has it, unfortunately he just isn't a very good coach. Honestly before we fire Orr, GC should be fired. Ultimately I think that is why Orr stays...GC knows he's next if he starts firing his own hires. Across the board they have been really bad, he shouldn't be permitted to make any more of those decisions.

[gmartin]

I knew Drago would eventually add his Fire GC comment.

[Flipper]

Not to hijack a thread...but I swear I've heard Drago criticize Clawson for yelling at the officials too much (and if it wasn't Drago...I apologize, but I have read that here) and now he's accused fo a lack of passion?

So far as coach Orr goes...you have to start asking how long we're gonna put up with an "eh" basketball program.

[h2oville rocket]

So far as coach Orr goes...you have to start asking how long we're gonna put up with an "eh" basketball program.

While BG has had some teams in the last several years that were better than "eh", I found it interesting that the son of the guy who led them to their last NCAA has been retired for three years. And, No, we're not much better.

[BGSU33]

I am so desperate for BG to win the MAC Tournament and make the NCAA Tournament, I would honestly be happy if we hired a guy who could come in, help us do that, then leave after one or two years for another school. Come wipe your feet on us if you want, I'll even shine your shoes after you do.

This never won a MAC Tournament and 40- plus years years without an NCAA Tournament appearance is ridiculous already. Out of the 345 or so D-I teams, we're what, in the company of about a dozen or so teams? That is unacceptable. When I was a freshman in 1993, I had never been to an NCAA Tournament game in person and said my first one would be to see BG in it. Well, being it had already been 25 years since BG last made it the (1968), and almost another 20 years since then had passed without one, and last year I finally just said F it and went to one. Waiting for BG to make it again is like trying to win the lottery. It "could" happen, but likely won't. I don't think it is too much to expect this once every 10 years or so. But being we're approaching 44 years, I've come to the realization it's just likely to never happen, and that is ridiculous.

[Flipper]

H2O...Since 1968 we've had a number of teams...at least four or five that were hosed out of NCAA bids, so to say we've been "eh" since 1968 isn't entirley fair, but I don't think we have the players Weinert was getting here in the late 70's and early 80's and I don't think we're getting the kind of guys Larranaga did either. And I don't think UT gets the guys it used to either. Then you couple that with the fact that we open a brand new, beautiful arena and the discussion centers around ticket prices and confiscated suckers.

I'm beginning to think we need a change...

[orangeandbrown]

87, I do agree that for a couple of years this has been the year where we could break out, and to date we aren't any better than we were last year.

[h2oville rocket]

H2O...Since 1968 we've had a number of teams...at least four or five that were hosed out of NCAA bids, so to say we've been "eh" since 1968 isn't entirley fair, but I don't think we have the players Weinert was getting here in the late 70's and early 80's and I don't think we're getting the kind of guys Larranaga did either. And I don't think UT gets the guys it used to either. Then you couple that with the fact that we open a brand new, beautiful arena and the discussion centers around ticket prices and confiscated suckers.

I'm beginning to think we need a change...

For sure you had a team with Daniels that won 24 or so including, if IRC, some quality wins, that should have gone to the NCAA. Maybe some others- we had a team with Stempin that was one or two wins away from an at-large, but I can't think of any others that were deserving. Used to be the top Toledo talent went to BG or UT- Newbern, McClemore, Mix, Hodak...well, OK not Hodak but with national recruiting being the order of the day its much harder to get people to stay around home. These days Mix goes to OSU or Duke.

[BGSU33]

MAC play opens tonight, we host arguably the best team in the conference. Time to see what we've got and what we're going to do. GO BG!!!