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[Flipper]

There is not enough talent to win 20 games on this team....Brown and Crawford, that is not 20 win backcourt.

[guest44]

If this less than .500 basketball is what you are looking for, more power to you. It was a ugly game vs. an awful opponent. The sad part is I truly believe this team should be able to win 20 games. Look at the schedule. Look at some of the out of conference teams, WKU, GW, UTSA. Combine that with the West Division of the MAC which is bad, and shouldn't take that much to win 20 games, hell with the tournament you end up playing 32 minimum. This is the same team as when Scott Thomas was a sophomore. If 9-10 is what you get with your entire meaningful roster back, I can't wait for next year.

[hammb]

There is not enough talent to win 20 games on this team....Brown and Crawford, that is not 20 win backcourt.

I agree with you there.

That doesn't necessarily speak well of coach Orr that in 5 years of recruiting classes these 2 are the best 2 guards he's recruited. I'm not sure either of these guys starts for any other team in the MAC East. Combined they're probably the worst combo of guards in the East.

Most of my expectations on this team were hinged on Brown showing the shooting that he did as a sophomore, and Crawford showing some improvement after a full season starting. Unfortunately, they're both largely the exact same players they were last year, and that's not good enough to compete for the title in this league.

And it brings up another thing that has really soured me on coach Orr. We were talking about it during the game the other night and I really cannot think of a single player that greatly improved during his tutelage. Most of these upper class guys are pretty much the exact same player today that they were when they arrived on campus.

[h2oville rocket]

There is not enough talent to win 20 games on this team....Brown and Crawford, that is not 20 win backcourt.

I agree with you there.

That doesn't necessarily speak well of coach Orr that in 5 years of recruiting classes these 2 are the best 2 guards he's recruited. I'm not sure either of these guys starts for any other team in the MAC East. Combined they're probably the worst combo of guards in the East.

Most of my expectations on this team were hinged on Brown showing the shooting that he did as a sophomore, and Crawford showing some improvement after a full season starting. Unfortunately, they're both largely the exact same players they were last year, and that's not good enough to compete for the title in this league.

And it brings up another thing that has really soured me on coach Orr. We were talking about it during the game the other night and I really cannot think of a single player that greatly improved during his tutelage. Most of these upper class guys are pretty much the exact same player today that they were when they arrived on campus.

I have to say I thought Calhoun was MAC POY material early on and there are nights he looks like it, but more where he seems to disappear, at least statistically. Surprised he hasn't improved more.

[hammb]

There is not enough talent to win 20 games on this team....Brown and Crawford, that is not 20 win backcourt.

I agree with you there.

That doesn't necessarily speak well of coach Orr that in 5 years of recruiting classes these 2 are the best 2 guards he's recruited. I'm not sure either of these guys starts for any other team in the MAC East. Combined they're probably the worst combo of guards in the East.

Most of my expectations on this team were hinged on Brown showing the shooting that he did as a sophomore, and Crawford showing some improvement after a full season starting. Unfortunately, they're both largely the exact same players they were last year, and that's not good enough to compete for the title in this league.

And it brings up another thing that has really soured me on coach Orr. We were talking about it during the game the other night and I really cannot think of a single player that greatly improved during his tutelage. Most of these upper class guys are pretty much the exact same player today that they were when they arrived on campus.

I have to say I thought Calhoun was MAC POY material early on and there are nights he looks like it, but more where he seems to disappear, at least statistically. Surprised he hasn't improved more.

Me too H20. I still think he has MAC POY level talent and has not really developed any basketball IQ. He's largely the same player he was when he first stepped on the court. Can totally dominate a game, but just as likely to have his head completely in the clouds.

[Globetrotter]

Him, Sealy, Black, Oglesby. All are really passive when if they were agressive they would be studs. Oglesby to a lesser extent but if I have a guy shooting 90% I am putting him in positions to shoot more.

[AyZiggy97]

There is not enough talent to win 20 games on this team....Brown and Crawford, that is not 20 win backcourt.

I agree with you there.

That doesn't necessarily speak well of coach Orr that in 5 years of recruiting classes these 2 are the best 2 guards he's recruited. I'm not sure either of these guys starts for any other team in the MAC East. Combined they're probably the worst combo of guards in the East.

Most of my expectations on this team were hinged on Brown showing the shooting that he did as a sophomore, and Crawford showing some improvement after a full season starting. Unfortunately, they're both largely the exact same players they were last year, and that's not good enough to compete for the title in this league.

And it brings up another thing that has really soured me on coach Orr. We were talking about it during the game the other night and I really cannot think of a single player that greatly improved during his tutelage. Most of these upper class guys are pretty much the exact same player today that they were when they arrived on campus.

For whatever it's worth, BG is 5-1 in the MAC this season against the spread. They were giving 1 point to Buffalo. So some people who make or lose money on comparing talent don't think that much of the Falcons.

I'd take issue with the assessment of Orr's ability to help players improve. Nate Miller, Darrly Clements, and Brian Moten were better all-around, especially during their senior season. Otis Polk had all sorts of problems early in his career and was more successful under Orr. I think Black and Oglesby are better players than at the end of last season.

Thomas and Calhoun are both shooting better since the start of MAC play. Crawford's assists have nearly doubled, while that Akron line inflated his turnovers. My point is that there is enough evidence to not give up with 40% of the season yet to be played.

[guest44]

I'll take issue with being 9-10 at this point in the season, given the schedule played. I'll also take issue with having a losing record in the non-conference in all 5 seasons as head coach. I'd love for BG to use the final 40% percent of the season to prove me wrong. However, the lack of urgency is obvious. Orr keeps saying that it's a marathon and not a sprint. Well 60% of the way through, they are speed walking toward a one game exit in Cleveland once again. As for the 5-1 in the MAC vs. the spread says more against BG than anything. In 2009, BG was the 1 seed playing OU the #8 seed in Cleveland and the game was a PK. That basically says BG being the #1 seed was a fluke. Vegas basically believes BG is the 5th best team in the MAC East and just slightly better than Miami (who no longer has 2 projected starters). Again, no progress from last year or the year before.

[Flipper]

"No progress from last year or the year before".... that, guest44....is about all that needs to be said...

[hammb]

"No progress from last year or the year before".... that, guest44....is about all that needs to be said...

Agreed.

With largely the same players they were a similarly mediocre team in '09-10, '10-11, as they look to be in '11-12. They're just not getting better.

And realistically we lose Brown & Thomas along with our #1 guy off the bench for next season. I cannot see anyway that Orr has them BETTER next year than they are this year. Then the year after loses Crawford & Calhoun, again a likely step BACK?

I really think this program is ready for a new leader and with the influx of funding I think they can afford to go out and get a legit head coach. I still say investing in basketball with the new facility and the huge endowment (granted still some time away) is the right thing for this athletic department to do. Let's go out and get a top flight assistant, pay him like the highest paid coach in the MAC and let's start playing exciting basketball and WINNING. Coach Orr is a great guy, and I think he's got us ahead of where we were when he got here, but I don't think he's the guy that will take us to where we SHOULD be going.

With this facility and the large endowment, BG should strive to be the class of MAC basketball.