BiG game in Athens...

[Flipper]

I'm on record as not liking his game...at all, but I don't think you can blame Crawford entirely... did anyone play worth a damn? I caught the last 10 minutes or so...Thomas was forcing threes, Crawford was out of control, nobody was on the glass...biggest game of the ear and we flat assed stunk.

I think the direction of the program needs to be looked at very closely this off season...

[gmartin]

Read the other posts about Crawford. He had some bright spots, but by far his negatives were 3x more than any positives. As I mentioned, you know you had a bad night when the OU Announcers took a few seconds to mention how bad he was playing. And in the first half, he had 5 airballs. Glad you missed those.

[BGSU33]

I think the direction of the program needs to be looked at very closely this off season...

I 100% agree. Greg Christopher ALWAYS talks about looking at the direction of programs, and he refers to that plan as where they were, where they are, and where they are headed. Well this one is stuck big time! Since 2005 BG has had one winning season....just one. That is unacceptable. Period. This was supposed to be the year we finally made a run with four starters back and three seniors, and with 6 regular season games left we are a game over .500. No, the season is not over yet, but unless we win the MAC Tournament (which BG has never done in its history) and get to the NCAA Tournament (which BG hasn't done since 1968), I don't see how we can't be headed for a change. I believe Orr only has a year left on his contract, correct? Trust me, I want Orr to do well, I want him to win and for BG to do well in the process. But we're not doing anything. Orr's one winning season came in his second year with a core group of Dakich's players leading the way. Now if Orr can lead us to a MAC Tournament title and NCAA berth - give him a 10-year deal and I will shut my mouth for a decade. But if he does not, BG really has to consider a new head coach.

[Globetrotter]

Lost one game after a 5 game winning streak...fire the coach and blame the PG whipping boy whose fault it clearly was not. Who sings that tunnel vision song?

[BGSUHoops]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

[gmartin]

Pretty dissatisfying, embarrassing, or pick any word you want when the other teams Announcers pick up on Coach Orr lack of enthusiasm and Crawford's play. And then Coach Stone basically throwing the seniors under the bus in his post game interview. Only problem Brown and Thomas had good games and the reason we were so close. I wonder if he thought Crawford was a senior.

[Globetrotter]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

Maybe he needed a rest because he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. And Erger did not play badly. I am no Erger fan but you are just picking at nits with those 2. I do agree that another coach can probably get more out of them, losing 1 out of 5 games isn't the ripest time for that discussion.

[Globetrotter]

Pretty dissatisfying, embarrassing, or pick any word you want when the other teams Announcers pick up on Coach Orr lack of enthusiasm and Crawford's play. And then Coach Stone basically throwing the seniors under the bus in his post game interview. Only problem Brown and Thomas had good games and the reason we were so close. I wonder if he thought Crawford was a senior.

The other announcers also said that Crawford had hte best body control of anyone they had seen and were lauding him with postiives during the game as well.

[BGGrad01]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

Completely agree. From someone who has only seen this group of guys play live once a year for the past 3 seasons and caught the TV games, it just seems like we have enough offensive talent to stay out of the two or three stretches of 5 minutes each where we look like a 7th grade team. In the limited number of times that I've seen an Orr-coached team, I have no clue what our offensive philosophy is. You can see more structured offenses in a rec league. We seem to get into way too much isolation/standing around/point guard pounding the ball offense for my liking.

[hammb]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

Completely agree. From someone who has only seen this group of guys play live once a year for the past 3 seasons and caught the TV games, it just seems like we have enough offensive talent to stay out of the two or three stretches of 5 minutes each where we look like a 7th grade team. In the limited number of times that I've seen an Orr-coached team, I have no clue what our offensive philosophy is. You can see more structured offenses in a rec league. We seem to get into way too much isolation/standing around/point guard pounding the ball offense for my liking.

In Orr's tenure I've been to a large percentage of the home games, I've attended a few road games, watched a few games on TV, and listened to many on the radio. I'm a pretty avid follower of the program.

In those 5 years I STILL have almost no clue what the hell our offensive philosophy is supposed to be. Whatever it is, we have always suffered through LONG stretches where we can't get decent shots.

[Globetrotter]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

Completely agree. From someone who has only seen this group of guys play live once a year for the past 3 seasons and caught the TV games, it just seems like we have enough offensive talent to stay out of the two or three stretches of 5 minutes each where we look like a 7th grade team. In the limited number of times that I've seen an Orr-coached team, I have no clue what our offensive philosophy is. You can see more structured offenses in a rec league. We seem to get into way too much isolation/standing around/point guard pounding the ball offense for my liking.

In Orr's tenure I've been to a large percentage of the home games, I've attended a few road games, watched a few games on TV, and listened to many on the radio. I'm a pretty avid follower of the program.

In those 5 years I STILL have almost no clue what the hell our offensive philosophy is supposed to be. Whatever it is, we have always suffered through LONG stretches where we can't get decent shots.

I have been trying to figure it out lately and I am pretty sure it is meant to feed the low post from the wing or hit a guy who gets picked by 2-3 guys from the right side and swings around a pick on the elbow into the lane. I have never seen this work to score points. I have seen it work to get Scott Thomas the ball with a man covering him tightly where then Scott does something else with the ball. I have never seen someone run a play where they look like they are cutting to the hoop and get a layup.

[hammb]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

Completely agree. From someone who has only seen this group of guys play live once a year for the past 3 seasons and caught the TV games, it just seems like we have enough offensive talent to stay out of the two or three stretches of 5 minutes each where we look like a 7th grade team. In the limited number of times that I've seen an Orr-coached team, I have no clue what our offensive philosophy is. You can see more structured offenses in a rec league. We seem to get into way too much isolation/standing around/point guard pounding the ball offense for my liking.

In Orr's tenure I've been to a large percentage of the home games, I've attended a few road games, watched a few games on TV, and listened to many on the radio. I'm a pretty avid follower of the program.

In those 5 years I STILL have almost no clue what the hell our offensive philosophy is supposed to be. Whatever it is, we have always suffered through LONG stretches where we can't get decent shots.

I have been trying to figure it out lately and I am pretty sure it is meant to feed the low post from the wing or hit a guy who gets picked by 2-3 guys from the right side and swings around a pick on the elbow into the lane. I have never seen this work to score points. I have seen it work to get Scott Thomas the ball with a man covering him tightly where then Scott does something else with the ball. I have never seen someone run a play where they look like they are cutting to the hoop and get a layup.

Yeah...we do try to feed the post...and we have nobody that is a good enough passer to consistently get the ball cleanly to our post guys. We do also run a fair amount of pick and roll but our guards can't pass it off the pick and sometimes our bigs don't feel like rolling off it.

Overall our offense sucks. It always has sucked during Orr's tenure, and I don't see any signs that will change. Our good offensive performances come when A) We dominate the offensive glass for easy putbacks, B) Calhoun has a great game and dominates off an individual performance, or C) Crawford has one of his great games and dominates with his individual performance.

I don't think I have EVER watched a game where I thought we had a great gameplan and the offensive plays created an advantage for us.

[Warthog]

I was going to say 'Let's hire Paul Westhead!' but a little research and I see he is currently coaching at Oregon. I had no idea.

[Matty B]

I think the direction of the program needs to be looked at very closely this off season...

I 100% agree. Greg Christopher ALWAYS talks about looking at the direction of programs, and he refers to that plan as where they were, where they are, and where they are headed. Well this one is stuck big time! Since 2005 BG has had one winning season....just one. That is unacceptable. Period. This was supposed to be the year we finally made a run with four starters back and three seniors, and with 6 regular season games left we are a game over .500. No, the season is not over yet, but unless we win the MAC Tournament (which BG has never done in its history) and get to the NCAA Tournament (which BG hasn't done since 1968), I don't see how we can't be headed for a change. I believe Orr only has a year left on his contract, correct? Trust me, I want Orr to do well, I want him to win and for BG to do well in the process. But we're not doing anything. Orr's one winning season came in his second year with a core group of Dakich's players leading the way. Now if Orr can lead us to a MAC Tournament title and NCAA berth - give him a 10-year deal and I will shut my mouth for a decade. But if he does not, BG really has to consider a new head coach.

33, that post was complete nonsense. If you'r demanding we come nothing short of winning the league when it's obvious Akron/Kent/Buffalo/OU have much more talent, you're crazy. I thought we've done a hell of a job hanging with these teams this year.

Relax people. I can't believe that everyone's giving up on the season after having a 4 game win streak snapped. LAST NIGHT WE LOST A ROAD GAME vs A 20-WIN TEAM. Anyone else notice that their bigs defended the HELL out of Calhoun and took us out of what we wanted to do. In the first meeting, we got their big guy Smith in foul trouble which is why it was a very different game. Relax people, we can beat these guys in Cleveland. Again, THIS WAS A ROAD LOSS vs A 20-WIN TEAM!! WE WERE 8 POINT UNDERDOGS!! IT HAPPENS!!!

[Matty B]

I'll sing that tune! I wanted Coach Orr gone after last season. The streaming announcers even said, "Coach Orr's has that defeated look already" and that was in the middle of the second half. That "look" translates directly to the players. Thomas was playing well in the first half and Orr takes him out and puts in Erger. Can't say Thomas needed a rest, he played all 40 minutes of the Toledo game. Crawford made turnover after turnover and airball after airball and he was the player with the most minutes. I just think this team has a little more talent then Orr can get out of them.....

Thomas definitely needed a rest!!!!!!!!!!!!! The pace of this game was 5x faster than the UT game because 1) OU has better athletes and 2) both teams were playing zone in the UT game. Not to mention, Thomas was giving 114% effort just to keep BG in it cuz it seemed like no one else gave a crap. That tires you out. Also, Erger wasn't terrible when he was in there. He hit a jumper with the shot clock going down and dove on the floor to force a jumpball on defense. I'm in no way an Erger guy, but don't crucify the coach for getting his best player a breather.

Also, if you haven't noticed, Coach has been trying to get Clarke in earlier in games, but Clarke's been turning the ball over on his first couple possessions (2 TOs in 4 min vs UT, and had a miscommunication with Thomas for a TO in his 2 minutes in the OU game - TO was credited to Thomas) and Orr can't trust him to leave him in just yet. I think Clarke's going to be very, very good, but he hasn't done enough to earn minutes over Crawford. The way OU's guards pressure the ball, I don't think we had another PG on the roster that could have handled it.