Time for a change

[gmartin]

I must be watching a different BGSU team than HDOG. The BG team I watch has the best talent/recruits I have seen in about 5 years. The team we have for the most part are very athletic and that comes from recruiting. However the BG team I watch is lacking coaches leadership. The team I watch has a strange player substitutions. The team I watch very rarely will switch out of its 2-3 zone. The team I watch cannot make free throws which can fall back on the coach.

I completely disagree with HDOG. The BG team I watch is very talented. And you get talented players by recruiting them. Now its putting all that talent to use and we are failing miserably at that. To me, that falls on the coach. Am I calling for Coach Orr's head. No I am not. Do I think we would be better if we have this talent with a different coach? Hard to say. But this team is VERY talented. It just doesn't execute and that my feathered friends falls back on the coaching staff. I can see cases either way on retaining Orr or letting him go. I think Coach Orr is a class guy. I have no problem with him personally but we just had a donor give 10 million dollars. We are opening a new arena. Our play on the court most nights is lethargic. If a change needs to be made so be it. BUT WE HAVE THE TALENT AND I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH RECRUITING. But then again maybe I am watching a different team from Bowling Green.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

I think Orr is more than capable on game day. However, I do think he has fallen short in recruiting which translates to wins.

IMO, you have that reversed. Recruiting seems to be picking up, but I think his schemes are poor, to put it kindly.

Agree 100% with the sentiment that he at the least needs to coach out his contract. At BG, we should fire coaches that are bad on and off the court/field. Orr is a great representative of the university, and we at least have seen flashes of hope this year. Any extension talk would be premature, but talk of firing him just doesn't take into account the current landscape of the athletic department and the university.

[Hdog]

I don't have enough examples to argue the game day coaching [I've only been to two games this year and two last year, etc.], but I think us getting out muscled on the boards this year has more to do with talent than substitution patterns.

Yes we are more athletic with our freshman and sophomore classes, but where's the beef down low? While we are more athletic than in recent years, is it the most athletic in the MAC? I went to the Western Michigan game this year and IMO none of our freshmen/sophomores come close to Juwan Howard Jr. [Is Sealy this type of player? - didn't see him play that game]

I feel more sure about holding Orr's feet to the fire on recruiting than coaching for the limited time I've seen them in person or listened to the games. Also, I do think that Orr at some point has to take some heat for the slow starts to games. I wouldn't expect to see any blow out home games next year as the "we are young and without leadership" excuse should not be valid any longer.

I feel bad talking about coaching changes, especially with a man like Orr, so I sure hope we can bury all this and have a strong tourney and great year to open the Stroh next year.

[transfer2BGSU]

...so I sure hope we can bury all this and have a strong tourney and great year to open the Stroh next year.

+1

[Globetrotter]

Another interesting post to revisit.

[CrazyFan]

And a year later, I still stand by all my posts.

[Falconfreak90]

Another interesting post to revisit.

You said it GT...interesting discussion to say the least.

[BleedOrange]

Concerning recruiting, Orr has failed to bring in high quality guards. Henderson, Clarke, and Orr Jr. may prove out, but that hasn't happened yet and all three's progress was disappointing this year.

[Warthog]

Henderson just completed his second year in the program and barely saw the court this year. No reason to suspect he is going to make a big leap soon. And I've said for a long time that Chauncey is not a Div I player. He could excel at a Findlay type school, but not here.

[hammb]

Henderson just completed his second year in the program and barely saw the court this year. No reason to suspect he is going to make a big leap soon. And I've said for a long time that Chauncey is not a Div I player. He could excel at a Findlay type school, but not here.

I never saw Chauncey play in HS, but I'm always skeptical of giving a scholarship to the coaches' kids when they aren't getting a lot of offers from other schools.

From what I saw from him this year he has about as much right to be on the floor as Erger does...and that's not much.

[guest44]

Give me anyone over Erger. Thru 3 seasons here are Erger's shooting stats.

15-57 FG's

5-35 3FG's

5-12 FT's

You can calculate those percentages on your own for those 40pts.

[BGSU33]

Give me anyone over Erger. Thru 3 seasons here are Erger's shooting stats.

15-57 FG's

5-35 3FG's

5-12 FT's

You can calculate those percentages on your own for those 40pts.

Erger is simply awful.....I'm sorry, but he is NOT a D-I basketball player, period. The fact that he sees playing time and the floor for us alone is a prime example of things we need to fix and improve with our team and program. I'm sure he's a great person. I've never met him before but I will gladly give him the benefit of the doubt. But unfortunately, I have seen him play college basketball, and too much of it. He very well might bust his ass in practice and might absorb the playbook, but he should not be seeing the floor for us.

[guest44]

Erger isn't close to a D1 player. I'll be shocked if he doesn't start at some point next season with Orr coaching. You can have 1 really bad shooting year, but when you shoot like that over 3 seasons, the D1 stage is way too big.

[Dukefann9er]

I would be all for watching the Dee Brown, Scott Thomas class become seniors if either of them was a leader. Hell, Orr said himself that his team has no leaders after 30 games into a basketball season. Again, whose job is that to develop and recruit? That is roughly 95 games for either to become a leader in this program. Neither has. No leader ever lets your team lose by 40 at home twice in a season. Maybe Orr should call Coach Jackson and see if he is willing to come back and install some urgency and accountability. Also, I would love to meet the AAU or High School coach who put together the highlight video that sold our staff on James Erger. That was selling ice to eskimos.

LMAO about the Erger comment ! LOL

[Globetrotter]

This one is from 2 years ago. It's like groundhogs day up in this B