Ohio - Michigan

[Falcon137]

http://athleticbusiness.com/articles/le ... =136030023

"The NCAA plans to bar teams from postseason play beginning next season if they fail to achieve academic progress rates of 930, which equate to graduating roughly half of their players. Duncan spoke out publicly for a similar plan a year ago, advocating an APR cutoff of 925."

"Thirteen men's teams and three women's teams in the 2012 tournaments have APRs below 930, according to figures compiled by The Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport at the University of Central Florida.

"The men's teams: Colorado, Colorado State, Connecticut, Florida State, Indiana, Mississippi Valley State, New Mexico State, Norfolk State, Ohio, Saint Louis, St. Bonaventure, Southern Mississippi and Syracuse. The women's teams: McNeese State, Prairie View, Tennessee-Martin."

[footballguy51]

http://athleticbusiness.com/articles/le ... =136030023

"The NCAA plans to bar teams from postseason play beginning next season if they fail to achieve academic progress rates of 930, which equate to graduating roughly half of their players. Duncan spoke out publicly for a similar plan a year ago, advocating an APR cutoff of 925."

"Thirteen men's teams and three women's teams in the 2012 tournaments have APRs below 930, according to figures compiled by The Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport at the University of Central Florida.

"The men's teams: Colorado, Colorado State, Connecticut, Florida State, Indiana, Mississippi Valley State, New Mexico State, Norfolk State, Ohio, Saint Louis, St. Bonaventure, Southern Mississippi and Syracuse. The women's teams: McNeese State, Prairie View, Tennessee-Martin."

I would have guessed Kentucky would be in that low area. I wonder where they stand. I mean, if you have a roster of, say, 14 players, if two of them leave early for the NBA then you fall below 930. Some of these schools will have their work cut out for them keeping players from leaving early.

I'm glad they are putting this into place and it's not just affecting the smaller schools. The big schools listed are some high seeds this year, like Florida State and Syracuse, as well as some traditional power schools like Indiana and UCONN.

I'm actually quite glad they will be putting more emphasis on the student part of being a student athlete. That needed to happen.

[Falcon137]

51, I don't know all the details on how those numbers are calculated. However, I don't think schools like Kentucky that have 4 guys leave early for the NBA every year get punished for that.

I remember in the 90s while Huggins was at UC they had a graduation rate of 0% for awhile.

[footballguy51]

51, I don't know all the details on how those numbers are calculated. However, I don't think schools like Kentucky that have 4 guys leave early for the NBA every year get punished for that.

I remember in the 90s while Huggins was at UC they had a graduation rate of 0% for awhile.

The APR is calculated by allocating points for eligibility and retention -- the two factors that research identifies as the best indicators of graduation. Each player on a given roster earns a maximum of two points per term, one for being academically eligible and one for staying with the institution. A team's APR is the total points of a team's roster at a given time divided by the total points possible. Since this results in a decimal number, the CAP decided to multiply it by 1,000 for ease of reference. Thus, a raw APR score of .925 translates into the 925 that will become the standard terminology.

The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances—when a player transfers to another school with a sufficiently high GPA, or leaves for a professional sports career while still in good academic standing. In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams. Nearly half of the adjustments were for baseball players.

The above is from wikipedia. I suppose you are right. Basically, it will be up to these top schools to ensure their players keep good grades while they attend school. They've always been responsible for that, but it is definitely important now. I wonder how long this rule will take place. My guess is the rule gets dropped when a top 5 or top 10 team is banned from the tournament due to APR issues.

[TG1996]

The day Indiana, UConn or Syracuse is barred from postseason play over grades is the day they readjust the APR numbers.

[Flipper]

Screw it...we're never ever ever ever going to be as good as OU nor have we ever been as good as they are. All hail our hilljack overlords

[Falcon137]

The day Indiana, UConn or Syracuse is barred from postseason play over grades is the day they readjust the APR numbers.

UConn's men's team has already been barred from next years tournament.

They were banned, tried to impose self sanctions that the NCAA rejected and have since appealed. Most don't think they have a chance with the appeal, however.

[TG1996]

The day Indiana, UConn or Syracuse is barred from postseason play over grades is the day they readjust the APR numbers.

UConn's men's team has already been barred from next years tournament.

They were banned, tried to impose self sanctions that the NCAA rejected and have since appealed. Most don't think they have a chance with the appeal, however.

I stand corrected, I guess. Good for the NCAA if they actually stand firm with the ruling.

[FalconTurf]

Screw it...we're never ever ever ever going to be as good as OU nor have we ever been as good as they are. All hail our hilljack overlords

I think Ohio, Kent and even Akron right now provide the model for our AD. What do they spend for coaches, travel, recruiting, hosting big home games, and marketing. Let's attempt to create our own formula based partially on their success. Time to sell the idea of what it takes to compete for the NCAA to donors - the building is in place and some of the funding will be coming but there is no reason to continue waiting. Get those who can contribute $$$$ focused on what is needed and how we can get there. Without money I don't think a change in AD or coach will move the program into a position of long-term success (don't spend a lot of money on a 1-time trip).

While in the NCAA I say Go Bobcats!. Come MAC play 2012-2013 I want to beat them especially after a run in the NCAA.

[BGSU33]

Flipper - If you paid close enough attention to what I said about BG's history in the NCAA Tournament in that comment you will clearly see I said "which BG has only done once in its history" in relation to Ohio's win in the tournament this year. Hence, BG's lone win in the tournament. So nice attempt at a jab that stemmed off of comment that clearly went right over your head. And you're calling me ignorant??? That was just rich....And I am fully aware of the win over Loyola which probably happened before even you were born. So you can stand on your soap box and live 40 or 50 years in the past of when BG was relevant in college basketball and I will call it like I see it because I am way tired of the mediocrity and apathy surrounding our program while watching our peers do the kind of things we are watching.

[BGSU33]

Screw it...we're never ever ever ever going to be as good as OU nor have we ever been as good as they are.

Now you're finally making some sense....

[BGSU33]

Understood.
But unfortunately I for one and Im not alone, have been waiting since '68 for something to cheer about and have had so little. At this point in my life, I realize it probably will not happen again before I die. I figure i have about 10 seasons. And that is BS! The fact this university can not get it together and deliver a decent product is disgraceful and unacceptable. Thus I have come to cheer for the others from the MAC that have made the grade in post season. Loved Ball St and their teams of the late 80s and early 90s, Toledo in the late 70s, EMU and their win over Duke, and this year Ohio U. Why? because we never make it. So to me the next best think is to cheer for the other member schools - altruism.

Agreed! I get sick and tired of people making excuses for our shortcomings for whatever they are. That's what BG is full of anymore, empty seasons and excuses. Fourth-something years since an NCAA Tournament appearance, never having won the MAC Tournament, give me a damn break! Hell, in football we're now at 20 years without even a MAC title. It's great we were once decent or even great long ago but we aren't and haven't been in years....many of them. So no, I refuse to simply slip on a pair of orange glasses and pretend to say we matter or factor right now, or for quite sometime, because we haven't and don't. Now we may all disagree with each others opinions or comments on here, and that is fine, it makes for great discussions. But when push comes to shove, BG doesn't have a dan leg to stand on anymore.

[footballguy51]

Understood.
But unfortunately I for one and Im not alone, have been waiting since '68 for something to cheer about and have had so little. At this point in my life, I realize it probably will not happen again before I die. I figure i have about 10 seasons. And that is BS! The fact this university can not get it together and deliver a decent product is disgraceful and unacceptable. Thus I have come to cheer for the others from the MAC that have made the grade in post season. Loved Ball St and their teams of the late 80s and early 90s, Toledo in the late 70s, EMU and their win over Duke, and this year Ohio U. Why? because we never make it. So to me the next best think is to cheer for the other member schools - altruism.

Agreed! I get sick and tired of people making excuses for our shortcomings for whatever they are. That's what BG is full of anymore, empty seasons and excuses. Fourth-something years since an NCAA Tournament appearance, never having won the MAC Tournament, give me a damn break! Hell, in football we're now at 20 years without even a MAC title. It's great we were once decent or even great long ago but we aren't and haven't been in years....many of them. So no, I refuse to simply slip on a pair of orange glasses and pretend to say we matter or factor right now, or for quite sometime, because we haven't and don't. Now we may all disagree with each others opinions or comments on here, and that is fine, it makes for great discussions. But when push comes to shove, BG doesn't have a dan leg to stand on anymore.

When it comes to basketball, I agree. Some of the other sports I think are on their way in the right direction.

[Flipper]

BGSU33...I find your love of OU nauseatng. You went to BG...I presume...but you pop over OU like a 13 year old girl at a Justin Beiber concert. I'll give the Bobcats their due..they have a great team this year, but I'm a BGSU fan and alum...I have no intention of latching on to a divisional rival with a man crush like yours.