Directionally, Greg Christopher Doesn't Get It

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Globetrotter wrote:... 2 recruits nobody wnated, ...
For Rashaun Holmes, Chicago St. and Florida A&M are listed as the other suitors, although it's hard to say how complete that list would be.

I have no idea who we beat out for Spencer Parker. Do you have any info?
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BleedOrange wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:... 2 recruits nobody wnated, ...
For Rashaun Holmes, Chicago St. and Florida A&M are listed as the other suitors, although it's hard to say how complete that list would be.

I have no idea who we beat out for Spencer Parker. Do you have any info?
None, that was probably too much to say. I was just frustrated. Both seem like hidden gems and I am glad to have them. But it does scare me when the guys we got don't seem to be highly sought after.
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There is absolutely no reason BG can't draw in successful recruits from Ohio, Michigan and Indiana -- you know, the guys who are just below that level where they get recruited by the Ohio States and Purdues.

It's been done successfully before, and not all that long ago.

Ohio University is doing it now. Kent State and Akron have been doing it successfully.

BG has as much to offer as any of those schools, perhaps a bit more with the new facilities. But it takes a coach who (1) puts together a good recruiting staff and (2) is a good recruiter himself; willing to put in the long hours to form relationships.

I do not see why BG has to settle for giving scholarships to players who aren't even being recruited by other schools on the same level as those I mentioned above.

We all know the change needs to come. Hell, I'm betting Christopher knows it's got to happen; but he's hoping against hope that somehow things will turn around, even though the future seems pretty clear (and bleak).
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It wasnt so long ago that the student section at BBall games was completely full and you had to get there very early to get a good seat. It wasnt so long ago that Gameday came to watch us play N Illinois. What the heck has happened to this athletic department?
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Greg Christopher is what happened. He was brought in for his fund raising abilities, because he mastered that at Purdue. Unfortunately we were so worried about fund raising for all these projects we wanted to do in the athletic department that we payed no attention to his abilities actually running the sports programs. We'll...........were paying for it now and will continue to pay for it until a university president says enough is enough with our dismal sports programs (except women's b-ball......for now.....) and axes him and brings in an AD who won't settle for complete mediocrity like Louis Orr. After Orr was not axed after this season, I'm slowly losing interest in this university athletics programs. I just don't care anymore, because obviously nobody in the athletic department does either.
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CrazyFan wrote:Greg Christopher is what happened. He was brought in for his fund raising abilities, because he mastered that at Purdue. Unfortunately we were so worried about fund raising for all these projects we wanted to do in the athletic department that we payed no attention to his abilities actually running the sports programs. We'll...........were paying for it now and will continue to pay for it until a university president says enough is enough with our dismal sports programs (except women's b-ball......for now.....) and axes him and brings in an AD who won't settle for complete mediocrity like Louis Orr. After Orr was not axed after this season, I'm slowly losing interest in this university athletics programs. I just don't care anymore, because obviously nobody in the athletic department does either.
I would follow Hockey if it was any good. Get us a good product and I would follow almost any mens sport we have even if I don't know the nuances of it like Basketball and Football.
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Other than not firing Orr what is everyone's beef with Christopher?

I know a lot of people on this board hate that he reduced scholarships and cut funding for non revenue sports.

Was it the hockey thing?

He fired Brandon when the football program was in shambles and hired Clawson who seems to be turning the program around, academically, in the community, and on the field.

I've never seen actual reasons why people can't stand the guy.

Why do people think he doesn't care? Not firing Orr, is that the sole reason?
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I think factman and Drago dislike him because he cut baseball's schollies....Bubba Bo whatever seems to think he fired too many secretaries...but I don't want to speak for those guys.
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Flipper wrote:I think factman and Drago dislike him because he cut baseball's schollies....Bubba Bo whatever seems to think he fired too many secretaries...but I don't want to speak for those guys.
Heh heh. :lol:

Actually, I believe BBBB has suggested several times that GC was hired for his fundraising skills, which may be what the administration under which he was hired wanted. For all we know his contract says more about raising funds than it does about having winning seasons. I don't honestly believe that Hockey's near-death experience was totally GC's doing, but, of course, have no way to prove it. I'm sure they could have saved tons of money by not having to maintain the ice or the arena or pay for uniforms, scholarships, equipment, travel, and staff for the games. For an administrator or group of administrators who don't seem to give a rat's ass about an individual sport, cutting it has to be very tempting, especially if they have a fall guy to blame it on when people complain.

4B has also suggested that GC lets a lot of the little things go that add up to much bigger things, including wooing a relatively small amount of larger donors while virtually ignoring the larger "beer and pretzel" crowd, as evidenced in the golf outing fiasco among other things.

Again, I am happy for and truly respect those who are able write bigger checks to the department while believing that more funds could be raised in smaller amounts if people weren't treated basically as non-entities.

While Bubba etc, recognizes that GC has fired / not renewed contacts for quite a few coaches in the past few years, announcing a "change in direction" for those programs, he is not informed enough to know how many of those coaches deserved to be replaced, or how many of those sports have improved under the new coaches. BBBB is happy to know that at list Curt Miller will leave under his own terms and that maybe, just maybe Denise did as well.

With regards to the secretary, yes, it did rub me the wrong way at the time, even as I knew that all around campus other lower paid staff were also having their positions discontinued. I would think things would run more smoothly from year to year having a the same person in that position from year to year.
I'm sure Volleyball and Women's Basketball learned to cope without the shared secretary, and I certainly hope Men's Basketball learned to cope without her. They certainly have enough people in the program. Some day someone will explain to me what all those people do at the games. There seems to be a 2:1 ratio of players in uniform to suit & ties guys at the men's games. Maybe 3:1. I know, visiting teams seem to bring that many people along, but for what, I ask out of genuine ignorance of the way things work.

With regards to baseball schollies, I don't believe ol' Bubba has weighed in on this topic yet, but he has long wondered how many BGSU graduates have gone on to play pro or semi pro baseball vs how many have gone on to play pro football or pro basketball. Again, this is an honest question from basic ignorance (lack of knowledge, not stupidity), and I'd really like to see some of some fans of all sports come up with a list of names.

I realize it's "only" baseball, but Danny's bio says that "In 21 years at the helm, Schmitz has had 29 players drafted or sign professional contracts", "Over the last ten years he has helped his teams to six Mid-American Conference division championships and has earned four MAC regular-season championships over the last 13 seasons. Over the last ten years, his teams have won two MAC Tournament titles and two NCAA Tournament appearances.", and "A coach widely recognized for developing players, Schmitz has had four All-Americans, two MAC Players of the Year, ten draft picks, and six additional players sign as free agents since 2000." http://www.bgsufalcons.com/coaches.aspx ... h=baseball
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what was the golf outing fiasco?
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I don't care how many pro athletes a program produces...I don't see that as part of the mission of college athletics. MAC titles are relevant...MAC winning % is relevant...graduation rate and APR are relevant.
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I would guess football has produced the most professional athletes, simply due to sheer numbers. Next would probably be hockey and baseball 3rd.

I'm sure there's a lot of former Falcons playing professionally somewhere, whether it be arena leagues in football, overseas in basketball, minors in hockey in baseball / independent leagues. Same with hockey, there are so many teams / leagues.
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Flipper wrote:I don't care how many pro athletes a program produces...I don't see that as part of the mission of college athletics. MAC titles are relevant...MAC winning % is relevant...graduation rate and APR are relevant.
Then perhaps baseball is doing better than alright and deserves its scholarships?
Conversely, is baseball is doing better than alright, therefore the scholarships should go to attract players in other sports?

I know (or at least I think) it's part of your sense of humor and you were just teasing us when you said "I think factman and Drago dislike him because he cut baseball's schollies....Bubba Bo whatever seems to think he fired too many secretaries...but I don't want to speak for those guys." because we do tend to sing the same refrain. But do they comment on a legitimate issue, or even a fair analysis of GC?

Again, I don't really understand, but I would like to.

What it comes down to, I suppose, is that GC's assignment is to raise revenue and cut costs. We all have our opinions as to which decisions are fair and which ones are unfair, and why. But as we all know, opinions ... well, everybody's got one.
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Bubba Bo Bob Brain wrote: ... well, everybody's got one.
Belly-button?

FWIW - unlike members of the Dance Team - mine is not pierced 8-)
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Bubba Bo Bob Brain wrote: ... well, everybody's got one.
Belly-button?

FWIW - unlike members of the Dance Team - mine is not pierced 8-)
Do you suppose that's a requirement for the Dance Team? They should wear a ring that jingles, and they could do a Christmas dance in December. That would be exciting!
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