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zete wrote:OU had over 12000 people for a game earlier this year vs. Portland. Granted they sold tickets for a dollar for promotional reasons. But 12000 fans! That is more than we usually get for football. If we had 12000 fans show for a basketball game we would need to turn away 8000 of them.
Everyone and their brother has tried to determine what the mind set difference is. There are probably a combination of several reasons.
This year they (OU) have some good players, as they did last year. (Sweet 16) We have not made NCAAs since 1968 = interest has eroded away over the years. When we do have decent teams they are overlooked by NCAA and then get the shaft by playing on the road in the NIT. It has proven to be a loosing battle.
Well lets see. There isn't anything to do an hour and a half in every direction from Athens, they don't fight any other schools for exposure or ticket dollars. They are coming off a sweet 16 birth, they returned basically their entire team, new high profile coach, 1 dollar tickets, they fill 1/4 of the arena with students, it was dads weekend (one of their biggest weekends of the year). Oh and they've been pretty good almost every year since the late 90s. It's not a hard formula to figure out, win and people will show up.

It's amazing what winning will do. OU football had something like 900 season ticket holders in the early 2000s. This year they led the conference in attendance. It's pretty simple what changed....they started winning.

Within an hour of BG you have, Detroit, Toledo, Michigan, and Eastern Michigan, 4 division 1 programs. Then you have the Mud Hens, Tigers, Pistons, Lions, Red Wings, 5 pro sports teams fighting for entertainment dollars. That's a lot of sports entertainment options, fighting for dollars in a pretty small market. Couple that with a lot of your alumni not staying in the Toledo area, you are going to have a hard to time drawing crowds for a program that hasn't had success in 10+ years.

Will please give give my tired ass a damned break??? There isn't any more to do in BG than there is in Athens.
Drive 20 minutes south you're in Findlay with another university, some restaurants, and a movie theater. Drive 15 minutes up 25, you're at Levis Commons, shopping, movie theater, restaurants, bars. 30 minutes up 75, you're in Toledo, another university, bars, restaurants, night life, museums, zoo.

Drive 20 minutes north, south, east, west, out of Athens and you get Hocking Hills as your only excitement. Although if you go an hour west you get to the exciting town of Lancaster.
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Someone asked why OU draws that many people. That's why, they're good and it's the only show in town.

BG doesn't draw well because they have and have had a shitty product, in a town where no one cares and men's basketball barely registers on alumni and students radars.
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.........and no one cares because we have a shitty product and a shitty.............___ ___!

(Hell, you know what I'M going to say!) ;)
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factman wrote:.........and no one cares because we have a shitty product and a shitty.............___ ___!

(Hell, you know what I'M going to say!) ;)
Coach? I know you're not a Christopher fan. I've always been indifferent towards him. The fundraising he's done has been great and the football team is turning the corner under his hire.

But, I agree he has let the basketball program go to ruin and I'm not sold on the direction of the hockey program, either.
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........Shitty Coach? YES ...... Shitty Athletic Director? YES YES YES ........Clueless people around the Athletic Director? YES.
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Falcon137 wrote:
factman wrote:.........and no one cares because we have a shitty product and a shitty.............___ ___!

(Hell, you know what I'M going to say!) ;)
Coach? I know you're not a Christopher fan. I've always been indifferent towards him. The fundraising he's done has been great and the football team is turning the corner under his hire.

But, I agree he has let the basketball program go to ruin and I'm not sold on the direction of the hockey program, either.
As a non hockey fan and a Basketball and Football fan I am nearly to the point that I think they should just disband hockey and put the money toward football and basketball. That should tell you how bad things are.
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Globetrotter wrote:As a non hockey fan and a Basketball and Football fan I am nearly to the point that I think they should just disband hockey and put the money toward football and basketball. That should tell you how bad things are.
You should repost this over in the hockey forum :twisted:

While you do that I'll go get my popcorn ready :-D
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BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:As a non hockey fan and a Basketball and Football fan I am nearly to the point that I think they should just disband hockey and put the money toward football and basketball. That should tell you how bad things are.
You should repost this over in the hockey forum :twisted:

While you do that I'll go get my popcorn ready :-D
LOL, I have never been an advocate of getting rid of that program. I just think it's becoming more evident that we can't have 3 viable programs here. Heck I am not sure we can have 2. And of the 3 I care the least about hockey.
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BGFalconfromCincy wrote: You should repost this over in the hockey forum :twisted:

While you do that I'll go get my popcorn ready :-D
Done.

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Falcon137 wrote:
factman wrote:.........and no one cares because we have a shitty product and a shitty.............___ ___!

(Hell, you know what I'M going to say!) ;)
Coach? I know you're not a Christopher fan. I've always been indifferent towards him. The fundraising he's done has been great and the football team is turning the corner under his hire.

But, I agree he has let the basketball program go to ruin and I'm not sold on the direction of the hockey program, either.
Hockey being on the rise seems like smoke and mirrors to me. The run to the championship game last year was great but that momemtum of the last third of the season is nowhere to be found. Getting hot for a few weeks is all it seemed like to me. That being said I haven't followed hockey closely since I was a student so I am strictly saying what it looks like from a distant observer.
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I don't go into the hockey forum so it won't matter. I had no IDEa we went to the championship game lAst year. I just can't believe what a tool you are on here. And you do it working for the university and with people knowing who you are. If you are going to post it at least both of them.
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Globetrotter wrote:
BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:As a non hockey fan and a Basketball and Football fan I am nearly to the point that I think they should just disband hockey and put the money toward football and basketball. That should tell you how bad things are.
You should repost this over in the hockey forum :twisted:

While you do that I'll go get my popcorn ready :-D
LOL, I have never been an advocate of getting rid of that program. I just think it's becoming more evident that we can't have 3 viable programs here. Heck I am not sure we can have 2. And of the 3 I care the least about hockey.
Fair enough, but I like basketball least. So let's get rid of that one (If we're picking, that is)


Some of you folks on here are pretty funny... I'd love for you all to channel the same enthusiasm you have for your (non winning, major) sport of choice (unless it's football, because they had a decent season this year.. that leaves hockey and basketball) and celebrate all Falcon athletics and Falcon student athletes like they are all great programs. Because they are, and it's not about cutting one sport or another, but thats what it seems to come down to.

I can almost guarantee that if a sport is cut (any sport, it doesn't really matter) the money won't go back into the Athletics budget... some of it might, but if its coming down to cutting sports, its because the University is hurting, and that money would probably go somewhere else. It's not like they'll cut a sport and split that budget up amongst the remaining sports.

So, I guess I fail to see the reasoning behind the "Cut hockey, cut basketball, cut football" comments.

Either way, thats for another topic. BG basketball still puts me to sleep, even though I'm sitting on the baseline. :drinkers:
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toddpav wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:
BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:As a non hockey fan and a Basketball and Football fan I am nearly to the point that I think they should just disband hockey and put the money toward football and basketball. That should tell you how bad things are.
You should repost this over in the hockey forum :twisted:

While you do that I'll go get my popcorn ready :-D
LOL, I have never been an advocate of getting rid of that program. I just think it's becoming more evident that we can't have 3 viable programs here. Heck I am not sure we can have 2. And of the 3 I care the least about hockey.
Fair enough, but I like basketball least. So let's get rid of that one (If we're picking, that is)


Some of you folks on here are pretty funny... I'd love for you all to channel the same enthusiasm you have for your (non winning, major) sport of choice (unless it's football, because they had a decent season this year.. that leaves hockey and basketball) and celebrate all Falcon athletics and Falcon student athletes like they are all great programs. Because they are, and it's not about cutting one sport or another, but thats what it seems to come down to.

I can almost guarantee that if a sport is cut (any sport, it doesn't really matter) the money won't go back into the Athletics budget... some of it might, but if its coming down to cutting sports, its because the University is hurting, and that money would probably go somewhere else. It's not like they'll cut a sport and split that budget up amongst the remaining sports.

So, I guess I fail to see the reasoning behind the "Cut hockey, cut basketball, cut football" comments.

Either way, thats for another topic. BG basketball still puts me to sleep, even though I'm sitting on the baseline. :drinkers:
My point was not that I want to get rid of hockey. It was that I have never thought getting rid of sports was a good idea before, in fact I think it was a point of pride to have all 3 at BG. My point was that things are so bad right now that I have next to no confidence that we can field three competitive programs in basketball-football and hockey.
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bg1984 wrote: Mr. AD, have you EVER visited Athens which is in between noplace and the boondocks, and walked inside the Convo on a game night? I can't tell you how envious I am of that environment. So why is what we have going inside the Stroh Center good enough for you? Perhaps I'm not smart enough to understand why this continues to go on.
What is the difference? Why isn't that the community there has embraced OU basketball and ours hasn't? I am curious at people's thoughts. I played basketball in NWO (not well). And we would go play all around and hardly have anyone there, yet everytime we got to Margaretta no matter what the place was full for the JV game. What makes it so different at the OU's, Margaretta etc. The product isn't really that much better. The connection seems to be. How do you build that connection. Thats what BG needs to figure out.

Cultural opportunities in Athens are limited. BG was once rated by some magazine as the emptiest campus in the country on weekends which cited the reason as Toledo being only twenty miles away. Twenty miles away from Athens is...well, nothing. BG is somewhat remote but not by Athens standards. If OU was located in Cleveland they'd average about 3,000.
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Globetrotter wrote:
bg1984 wrote: Mr. AD, have you EVER visited Athens which is in between noplace and the boondocks, and walked inside the Convo on a game night? I can't tell you how envious I am of that environment. So why is what we have going inside the Stroh Center good enough for you? Perhaps I'm not smart enough to understand why this continues to go on.
What is the difference? Why isn't that the community there has embraced OU basketball and ours hasn't? I am curious at people's thoughts. I played basketball in NWO (not well). And we would go play all around and hardly have anyone there, yet everytime we got to Margaretta no matter what the place was full for the JV game. What makes it so different at the OU's, Margaretta etc. The product isn't really that much better. The connection seems to be. How do you build that connection. Thats what BG needs to figure out.

Cultural opportunities in Athens are limited. BG was once rated by some magazine as the emptiest campus in the country on weekends which cited the reason as Toledo being only twenty miles away. Twenty miles away from Athens is...well, nothing. BG is somewhat remote but not by Athens standards. If OU was located in Cleveland they'd average about 3,000.
Why in the world would people want to go to Toledo?
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