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I guess I'm in the minority. If a coach takes another job I wouldn't want him hanging around the program and game planning, while he was trying to recruit, buy a house, and do a hundred other things for another school. Just make a clean break and get on with it.
I thought about that too. I'm with you on that point, because if he leaves his heart isn't with the program he just left. He would be going through the motions.

It just annoys me to no end how it seems to be more about the money for some of these coaches.
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Falcon137 wrote: If a coach takes another job I wouldn't want him hanging around the program and game planning, while he was trying to recruit, buy a house, and do a hundred other things for another school. Just make a clean break and get on with it.
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musicman2343 wrote:
Falcon137 wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority. If a coach takes another job I wouldn't want him hanging around the program and game planning, while he was trying to recruit, buy a house, and do a hundred other things for another school. Just make a clean break and get on with it.
I thought about that too. I'm with you on that point, because if he leaves his heart isn't with the program he just left. He would be going through the motions.

It just annoys me to no end how it seems to be more about the money for some of these coaches.

It's about money, prestige, and furthering your career. As well it SHOULD be.

We all wanna sit here and say we wouldn't do this or we wouldn't do that, but that's BS. Coaching is a volatile gig. VERY few coaches get to end their careers on their own terms...you're basically sitting around waiting to be fired in that business. If you go into it saying you're not going to interview for other jobs during bowl season then you're probably never going to move up.

I have no problem with what these guys are doing, it's the nature of the business. It sucks for those of us that are stepping stone schools, but that's the way it goes. No way in hell do I want a coach that has already taken a job elsewhere, though. We saw firsthand what that does: We let Dakich come back and things were never the same. He had lost the respect of his players and they wouldn't battle for him...
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hammb wrote:...you're basically sitting around waiting to be fired in that business.
Head coaches are hired to be fired.
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We all wanna sit here and say we wouldn't do this or we wouldn't do that, but that's BS. Coaching is a volatile gig. VERY few coaches get to end their careers on their own terms...you're basically sitting around waiting to be fired in that business. If you go into it saying you're not going to interview for other jobs during bowl season then you're probably never going to move up.
I'm not going to say that a more prestigious job is bad, but what is the problem with sticking to a program and making it successful?
John Gagliardi did that at St. John's in DIII for nearly his entire career. He had no desire to move up though he easily could have. He was content where he was and amassed the winningest record of all head coaches in college football.

I don't see a viable reason why the same couldn't be true for an FBS school.
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musicman2343 wrote:
hammb wrote:
We all wanna sit here and say we wouldn't do this or we wouldn't do that, but that's BS. Coaching is a volatile gig. VERY few coaches get to end their careers on their own terms...you're basically sitting around waiting to be fired in that business. If you go into it saying you're not going to interview for other jobs during bowl season then you're probably never going to move up.
I'm not going to say that a more prestigious job is bad, but what is the problem with sticking to a program and making it successful?
John Gagliardi did that at St. John's in DIII for nearly his entire career. He had no desire to move up though he easily could have. He was content where he was and amassed the winningest record of all head coaches in college football.

I don't see a viable reason why the same couldn't be true for an FBS school.
Sure that's an option, if you're willing to stay at a lower level and yet still be held to a similar level of scrutiny.

The way I look at it, in coaching there are no guarantees that you'll remain employed beyond the next year or so. That question of job security is going to follow you wherever you may go. Given that, I'd be trying to get as high as I could as quickly as I could to ensure I made as much money as possible. Eventually you're going to get canned, I'd like to bank as much as possible before that happens.

On top of that, if you coach at a place like BG for 7-8 years and then get canned, don't count on finding many job offers out there for ya. Again, look at Dakich. Had a great run at BG and was offered a big deal at WVU. Backed out and came back to BG only to struggle and eventually lose his job here. He was then an assistant (and interim HC) at IU, and has since been in broadcasting.

If you move up and get fired there will usually be that next lower tier job that will take a shot on you. That doesn't necessarily hold true at the MAC level...get canned from the MAC and your coaching career is gonna be in the pits.

I will never fault anybody for leaving for a higher paying and higher prestige job. I have no problems with somebody being content at the MAC level, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find a coach that has the drive and determination required to be a consistent winner that won't also want to step up to a higher profile job if the opportunity arises.
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hammb wrote: . . .If you move up and get fired there will usually be that next lower tier job that will take a shot on you. That doesn't necessarily hold true at the MAC level...get canned from the MAC and your coaching career is gonna be in the pits. . . .
I seem to remember this guy getting fired from a MAC school when I was in college, and he went on pretty good things afterward. :wink:

I agree with you, though as far as those who want to move up. I'd also be willing to bet that there are some who would be very happy pulling in $300K living in BG and being successful.

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Gary Blackney wrote: “Urban [Meyer] followed me and probably had the right strategy – come in, turn the program around, then move on. I had some opportunities, but to be honest, I enjoyed Bowling Green so much that I didn't feel there was a need to pursue other jobs.”
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My take on Blackney was that he was waiting out Cooper at OSU. When that didn't materailize, he seemed to pack it in a bit here and never came close to equalling the earlier success.
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Gary Blackney wrote: “Urban [Meyer] followed me and probably had the right strategy – come in, turn the program around, then move on. I had some opportunities, but to be honest, I enjoyed Bowling Green so much that I didn't feel there was a need to pursue other jobs.”
http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2010/11 ... ckney.html
Yep.

Then when he couldn't maintain that level of success he had early on he was let go (or stepped down) from BG (rightfully so).

After that he was never given another head coaching opportunity...worked a few years as a DC in Maryland and the as a DB coach for a single season. Perhaps he had no desire to ever be a HC again, I don't know, but I doubt very seriously his door was getting beat down.
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musicman2343 wrote:It just annoys me to no end how it seems to be more about the money for some of these coaches.
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It is what it is...I don't like the way the schools do it but Hammb had it pretty dead on. All this WIN NOW OR ELSE sheet due to the pressure to produce is a bad thing. I have no problem watching a coach rebuild a program the right way knowing it will take a few years. But most schools have these grand visions of winning right away. Sometimes it happens, more often it doesn't.

Just the nature of the beast and there is so much jack on the table...
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there a few special people who are NOT in it for the money (and moving up) . . . . (BG guy too) . . . .


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