What Are The Chances Coach Orr Is Gone?

[Globetrotter]

If he isn't fired what in the world will the ad say at the end of the year?

[CrazyFan]

If he isn't fired what in the world will the ad say at the end of the year?

That "directionally" our program is heading the right way..................just a guess, though.

[zete]

If they let him go, when will they do it? This month, next?

[BleedOrange]

If they let him go, when will they do it? This month, next?

That's one helluva question zete. Normally, I would expect that the decision makers would have been waaayyyyy out in front of this question at this point. I would expect that the decision would have already been 99% made by now and preparations behind the scenes would already be underway. If you let a coach go, you do so immediately after the last game so the search can start and end as soon as possible. That way, you don't leave the players lingering and the new coach can still have time to recruit. Also, the new coach would have a quicker jump on keep guys like Clarke, Holmes, Sealey, Parker, and Henderson from leaving.

In our case, I have no real reason to expect this level of initiative, foresight, ambition, or competence.

[guest44]

Couldn't agree more. I suspect that this whole process over the next month will be pretty much laughable. Let's just all hope that if he is in fact fired, that nobody on here suggests that Lamonta Stone should be the next head coach.

[BGWriter]

If they let him go, when will they do it? This month, next?

That's one helluva question zete. Normally, I would expect that the decision makers would have been waaayyyyy out in front of this question at this point. I would expect that the decision would have already been 99% made by now and preparations behind the scenes would already be underway. If you let a coach go, you do so immediately after the last game so the search can start and end as soon as possible. That way, you don't leave the players lingering and the new coach can still have time to recruit. Also, the new coach would have a quicker jump on keep guys like Clarke, Holmes, Sealey, Parker, and Henderson from leaving.

In our case, I have no real reason to expect this level of initiative, foresight, ambition, or competence.

This pretty much sums up where I'm at.

Should he be fired? Hell yes. The decision should already have been made.

Will he be fired? God only knows.

If the decision has been made, are the people running this ship actually out in front of this and already actively putting together a list of prospects they'll want to talk to?

I hope so.

My faith in this athletic department isn't real strong, especially where men's basketball is concerned.

[kdog27]

I think he will be back, as ridiculous as that is. I will repeat what I said a month ago, if we can't put up 170k for the better of the basketball program we might as well shut the doors on the gym.

[MarkL]

Next year is the last year on his contract, right? So I see three options, and pros and cons ...

1. Keep him through next year and let the contract expire.
Pro ... Orr has only one more year (unless things shockingly turn around), and we keep the 170K to invest in the next coaching staff.
Con ... recruiting. It's really hard to put together a good recruiting class when you cannot honestly say you will be there all four years. Heck, it's hard to keep a team together when that is the case.

2. Buy him out.
Pro ... New coach next year.
Con ... Out 170K that could be invested in the next coaching staff.

3. Extend the contract.
Pro ... We keep a guy as a head coach who is a genuinely good man.
Con ... Sends a message to the students, fans, alums, and rest of the conference that .500 seasons are OK and anything above is excellent.

I think I've personally seen enough. Orr has done a lot of great for the university and has enough to have a decent team next year, but we should expect to be a championship caliber program and I don't see that happening with him. Bill Frack said during the donation something to the effect of if Gonzaga and Butler can do it, so can Bowling Green. I'm at option number 2. 170K in the end of the day isn't that awful. Option number 1 is acceptable to me, and option number 3 would have me seriously worried.

[Globetrotter]

Why is option number one acceptable?

[Globetrotter]

Is his buyout 100%

[MarkL]

Option number 1 .... I can deal with that. Reason being is one bad recruiting class in basketball is bad, but nothing like one bad recruiting class in, say, football. In the latter, a bad recruiting class can set you back three years or so. In basketball, not quite as bad. I don't think the impact on the team would be all that awful if such happens. Regardless, I've seen about enough of the program right now and I think it's time for a new coach, a new direction, with the new arena and the investments in the program.

[Globetrotter]

Their are 4scholarships in play. 5 if Chauncey were to leave. You could turn around the program in a season.

[guest44]

His contract will have nothing to do with his recruiting class. Orr hasn't recruited well with a contract. He is obsessed with size and length. Just pull the plug on this joke and move on. Orr doesn't have the energy to do what it takes be successful at this level.

[HoopsFan]

At OU on the women's side, they fired all the assistants. This will be Randall's last year. If we keep Louie, then all the assistants should get the axe. Geeze, what does Stone have to show for the last 10-12 years? Except for a minor "blowup" in AA, George Jackson might have been the glue that held Orr's coaching together, Orr praises God and Jackson the devil or something like that.

I fully expected this team to lose 20 games this season after the 10th game, but they managed to string some wins together and might actually finish 3-1 in the next 4 games for a 15-18 record. (they may also go 0-3 and finish 12-20). It's a far cry for Pat Haley's 4-20 season, but Orr's progress is nonexistant. His best season was Dakich's holdovers and they fired him on a record like this, Larranaga too, although Jim lucked out and had a good year and got to leave before they axed him.

Perhaps the lesson is that you give a coach FIVE years. Unless he makes the NCAA, you don't get generous and extend the contract. If Greg Fundraiser hadn't been so caught up in the euphoria of the moment we wouldn't be at this point of a 7 year contract.

HoopsFan

[guest44]

Jackson was the key to what little success Orr did have as crazy as that it. I also think it was a carryover of players who had been coached hard by Dakich finding some success in a change of leadership. Fundraiser should have never given Orr an extension. BG lost to a 5 win Canisius team at home in the bracket buster, and no other schools were coming after Orr anyway. Nate Miller had a MAC POY second half of the season, and BG was a underdog in MAC quaterfinal round. Total overreaction by Fundraiser.

The next mistake Orr made was not surrounding himself with a better staff. Every team that has come into the Stroh has more than 3 assistant coaches. Why waste your DBO position on someone who knows nothing about coaching? How many years of the same staff and the same inconsistent play does it take to get someone to shake things up? Why have none of our assistants been approached by other schools? During the game against Miami, BG started offense for defense substitutions. Holmes (leading shot blocker in school history) came in for offense, and was subbed out for defense. How do 3 assistant coaches let that happen? I could type 4 paragraphs of coaching mistakes from the Central Michigan game last year, but anyone who watched it knows. Just absolutely zero attention to detail.