BG with just 2 points near halfway part of first half at KSU

[Globetrotter]

Lets say you are Clarke or Holmes. You have 2 years of eligibility left. Why in the world would you come back here? Who would advise you that its a good decision to return to a program where the coach has no idea what he is doing. Even if you have to sit out a year it would be worth it to not waste your entire basketball career. With that said....can you ask to be redshirted? Say....I want to play at BG, just not for year....I am essentially transferring to the new coach.

[BGSUFanatic7]

Think about how bad this team is. And we were competing for a double buy up until last night (Yes, I know UT is ahead of us, but still). As far as coach Orr has set back this team, We are a good coach away from being a team that could be good every year. Think about if we had had a coach that developed guys like Henderson, Clarke, Sealey, Crawford, Calhoun and even Black. Or had a coach that recruited PLAYERS and knew how to distribute minutes and run a team. Just the basics. If we had a coach that even just understood how to correctly run a team, we would be significantly better than what we are. Think about it, we are a pretty darn good home team and we hardly even have many people in the stands. Aside from Youngstown, losses to OU, Akron and MSU are our only losses at home. If we were even 500 on the road we'd have an 18-12 record with a winning record in the conference and a buy already locked up. Its not like we play "tough" road game either. Miami, Buffalo, CMU, North Dakota, IPFW, Robert Morris are in no way tough road games. Our road record under Orr is just putrid and it all starts with coaching and the leadership he develops amongst his players. Which is non existent. How can our AD and whoever else overlooks this program think that this is acceptable? Its not like we are just a joke of a program. This is a MID MAJOR DIVISION ONE program that just invested 10+ million dollars into an extremely nice facility with a practice court, the whole nine yards (Say what you will about the amount of seats, the Stroh is a damn nice facility).

Aside from what most of you will say, I do believe that this program truly isn't far away from being a winning team and a team that can consistently be a top 5 team in the MAC competing for a regular season/tourny titles. I am not saying we are close to OU or Akron's level of excellence. But we can even compete with those teams NOW. Aside from a terrible home game against Akron. The road OU and Akron games and the home OU game were games that we really realistically could have won. This team is terrible, from top to bottom and we still have some very nice pieces and some players that can turn into nice players. I am not buying that we are far away. With that being said, we need to clean house. This staff has not got it done. They have had their time. Give us an inspired coach that has shown he can run a team and BGSU Basketball can win and be a good program. This is all just my opinion. I am just sick of watching this. We deserve better than what we are seeing.

[BleedOrange]

Lets say you are Clarke or Holmes. You have 2 years of eligibility left. Why in the world would you come back here? Who would advise you that its a good decision to return to a program where the coach has no idea what he is doing. Even if you have to sit out a year it would be worth it to not waste your entire basketball career. With that said....can you ask to be redshirted? Say....I want to play at BG, just not for year....I am essentially transferring to the new coach.

Exactly. Hell, if Orr comes back next year, I'll be tempted to take out an entire 1-page ad in the BGNews urging those guys to transfer.

[BleedOrange]

Think about how bad this team is. And we were competing for a double buy up until last night (Yes, I know UT is ahead of us, but still). As far as coach Orr has set back this team, We are a good coach away from being a team that could be good every year. Think about if we had had a coach that developed guys like Henderson, Clarke, Sealey, Crawford, Calhoun and even Black. Or had a coach that recruited PLAYERS and knew how to distribute minutes and run a team. Just the basics. If we had a coach that even just understood how to correctly run a team, we would be significantly better than what we are. Think about it, we are a pretty darn good home team and we hardly even have many people in the stands. Aside from Youngstown, losses to OU, Akron and MSU are our only losses at home. If we were even 500 on the road we'd have an 18-12 record with a winning record in the conference and a buy already locked up. Its not like we play "tough" road game either. Miami, Buffalo, CMU, North Dakota, IPFW, Robert Morris are in no way tough road games. Our road record under Orr is just putrid and it all starts with coaching and the leadership he develops amongst his players. Which is non existent. How can our AD and whoever else overlooks this program think that this is acceptable? Its not like we are just a joke of a program. This is a MID MAJOR DIVISION ONE program that just invested 10+ million dollars into an extremely nice facility with a practice court, the whole nine yards (Say what you will about the amount of seats, the Stroh is a damn nice facility).

Aside from what most of you will say, I do believe that this program truly isn't far away from being a winning team and a team that can consistently be a top 5 team in the MAC competing for a regular season/tourny titles. I am not saying we are close to OU or Akron's level of excellence. But we can even compete with those teams NOW. Aside from a terrible home game against Akron. The road OU and Akron games and the home OU game were games that we really realistically could have won. This team is terrible, from top to bottom and we still have some very nice pieces and some players that can turn into nice players. I am not buying that we are far away. With that being said, we need to clean house. This staff has not got it done. They have had their time. Give us an inspired coach that has shown he can run a team and BGSU Basketball can win and be a good program. This is all just my opinion. I am just sick of watching this. We deserve better than what we are seeing.

Our returning talent is pretty good, with a few exceptions. Add Zach Denny (6-1) and JD Tisdale (6-5) to this core group below, mix in a good coaching staff, and I believe that you can have a contender. (I couldn't see COrr returning, and ya just can't count on 6-10 guys that average 8ppg in HS)

Clarke 6-1
Henderson 6-1
Sealey 6-6
Parker 6-7
Holmes 6-8
Black 6-10

[Globetrotter]

Our returning talent is pretty good, with a few exceptions. Add Zach Denny (6-1) and JD Tisdale (6-5) to this core group below, mix in a good coaching staff, and I believe that you can have a contender. (I couldn't see COrr returning, and ya just can't count on 6-10 guys that average 8ppg in HS)

Clarke 6-1
Henderson 6-1
Sealey 6-6
Parker 6-7
Holmes 6-8
Black 6-10

I make a thread about this about once a month I love the future. While I can't yet count on too much from Parker my guess is he is atleast a strong solid 4. Ignoring Denney and Tisdale and assuming Orr transfers we would have....

1
2 Clarke-Henderson
3
4 Holmes-Sealey-Parker
5 Black

[BleedOrange]

Our returning talent is pretty good, with a few exceptions. Add Zach Denny (6-1) and JD Tisdale (6-5) to this core group below, mix in a good coaching staff, and I believe that you can have a contender. (I couldn't see COrr returning, and ya just can't count on 6-10 guys that average 8ppg in HS)

Clarke 6-1
Henderson 6-1
Sealey 6-6
Parker 6-7
Holmes 6-8
Black 6-10

I make a thread about this about once a month I love the future. While I can't yet count on too much from Parker my guess is he is atleast a strong solid 4. Ignoring Denney and Tisdale and assuming Orr transfers we would have....

1
2 Clarke-Henderson
3
4 Holmes-Sealey-Parker
5 Black

Glo'tter, I think Parker is a much better talent than you're giving him credit for being. Also, I don't see him in the low post. I see him playing the 2, 3, and 4, depending on matchups.

Also, Sealey needs to play full time, so that means he'd be a 3. Parker will play the wing as well.

[Globetrotter]

Our returning talent is pretty good, with a few exceptions. Add Zach Denny (6-1) and JD Tisdale (6-5) to this core group below, mix in a good coaching staff, and I believe that you can have a contender. (I couldn't see COrr returning, and ya just can't count on 6-10 guys that average 8ppg in HS)

Clarke 6-1
Henderson 6-1
Sealey 6-6
Parker 6-7
Holmes 6-8
Black 6-10

I make a thread about this about once a month I love the future. While I can't yet count on too much from Parker my guess is he is atleast a strong solid 4. Ignoring Denney and Tisdale and assuming Orr transfers we would have....

1
2 Clarke-Henderson
3
4 Holmes-Sealey-Parker
5 Black

Glo'tter, I think Parker is a much better talent than you're giving him credit for being. Also, I don't see him in the low post. I see him playing the 2, 3, and 4, depending on matchups.

Also, Sealey needs to play full time, so that means he'd be a 3. Parker will play the wing as well.

I haven't seen much of Parker but he seems like little more then a aggressive, strong 4. I don't see him as a 2 or 3 at all. I would be delighted if he was. Have you seen him alot in recent games?

[guest44]

None of this matters if we keep Sleepy Lou around. Holmes or Sealey will replace Calhoun, so the other will continue to play bench minutes. Chauncey will be the 3 therefore, Parker will see limited minutes. The biggest plus to come from this wasted season is the graduation of Erger and Kraus.

[hammb]

To me, when he has played, Parker has looked like what I would expect from a 3. He's been aggressive moving towards the basket and trying to get his own shot. Not sure he has the quickness, or any outside shot, to be a realistic option at the 3, but that looks like where I'd slot him.

Of course if Orr is still the coach he'll be backing up Sealey and Orr next year and play about 10 minutes per game, so it really doesn't matter what position he plays.

[BleedOrange]

All of this is based on the idea that Orr is gone next year and we have a competent coach.

If Orr IS here next year, hell I'll probably just give up and root for Akron.

[guest44]

Here is a question. Why has the zone defense come back lately? If this team does anything above average, it's defend. Also, if we do decide to go zone, why don't we use the abundance of size we do have when in the zone? Nevermind, Louis Orr is the coach. Keep moving.

[Globetrotter]

All of this is based on the idea that Orr is gone next year and we have a competent coach.

If Orr IS here next year, hell I'll probably just give up and root for Akron.

Akron-Toledo and OU. All should be fun teams to watch in 2013.

[Globetrotter]

To me, when he has played, Parker has looked like what I would expect from a 3. He's been aggressive moving towards the basket and trying to get his own shot. Not sure he has the quickness, or any outside shot, to be a realistic option at the 3, but that looks like where I'd slot him.

Of course if Orr is still the coach he'll be backing up Sealey and Orr next year and play about 10 minutes per game, so it really doesn't matter what position he plays.

I see no wiggle to his game. I see the agressiveness and all that but without it he seems out of place at the 3. In his HS video he looked like a utility 3 where he would run the floor and rebound and get steals etc....he frankly looked more athletic to go with being very long. Here he looks like he is not athletic enough to move out to the 3. I will watch BG play tomorrow night for the sole reason of seeing this kid.

[hammb]

To me, when he has played, Parker has looked like what I would expect from a 3. He's been aggressive moving towards the basket and trying to get his own shot. Not sure he has the quickness, or any outside shot, to be a realistic option at the 3, but that looks like where I'd slot him.

Of course if Orr is still the coach he'll be backing up Sealey and Orr next year and play about 10 minutes per game, so it really doesn't matter what position he plays.

I see no wiggle to his game. I see the agressiveness and all that but without it he seems out of place at the 3. In his HS video he looked like a utility 3 where he would run the floor and rebound and get steals etc....he frankly looked more athletic to go with being very long. Here he looks like he is not athletic enough to move out to the 3. I will watch BG play tomorrow night for the sole reason of seeing this kid.

Don't hold your breath on seeing him play much.

Honestly I haven't seen enough to say that he can be a viable 3 either. He is definitely aggressive moving towards the basket, but as you said he hasn't shown much wiggle...it's more of a direct to the rim type aggressiveness that if he played a lot would probably result in a ton of offensive fouls called.

I think he looks real athletic though. I haven't seen him play with his back to the basket at all, and I would expect some of that if a guy is playing the 4.

I'm also not sure he's got the size to defend opposing PFs.

Either way he's a guy I'd like to see more of, but we probably won't since it's Senior Night...At least it's a Friday so drinking after the game is a perfectly acceptable solution.