2013-2014

[Globetrotter]

Just a brief look. This has been sprinkled into a bunch of threads, thought I would consolidate. I am going to make the assumption that Chauncey Orr leaves with his father...although I think he is good enough to keep around. If he doesn't leave he starts at the 3.

1. Tisdale FR
2. Clarke JR - Henderson JR - Denny FR
3. Parker SO
4. Holmes JR - Sealy SR - Mayleben FR
5. Black SR - Gomez SO

If that's the case we have 3 scholarships. Offers we reportedly have on the table

1. F Cullen Russo Bloomington, Minnesota 6--7 Rivals OFFERED (I think he has an offer from Big Miami)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWNgRKrStew
Offer per rivals

2. Austin Malone-Mitchell 5-8 Wisconsin Offer(rivals)
Other offers: Wisconsin-Milwaukee, San Francisco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYD30hiqN4Y

2014-2015
1. Tisdale SO
2. Clarke SR - Henderson SR - Denny SO
3. Parker JR
4. Mayleben SO
5. Holmes SR -Gomez JR

[hammb]

If Denny is even half the shooter he's been advertised as he simply must be on the court 20 minutes per game right away. This team hasn't had a real shooter in years.

In your scenario I'm going to assume we have a smarter coach in place. If that happens I'm going to assume that Clarke become more of a combo guard, playing a little point for Tisdale and a little SG for Denny.

If the 2 freshman guards come in next year ready to contribute I'm not sure what Henderson's role really is. I like him a little but he's never shown more than flashes (of course nobody develops under Orr, so may not be his fault). If Denny comes in and shows the ability to shoot right away I wouldn't think we'll be seeing much of Henderson at all. Of course that assumes Orr is gone. If Orr is here Denny probably will play 6 minutes a night next year.

[Globetrotter]

If Denny is even half the shooter he's been advertised as he simply must be on the court 20 minutes per game right away. This team hasn't had a real shooter in years.

In your scenario I'm going to assume we have a smarter coach in place. If that happens I'm going to assume that Clarke become more of a combo guard, playing a little point for Tisdale and a little SG for Denny.

If the 2 freshman guards come in next year ready to contribute I'm not sure what Henderson's role really is. I like him a little but he's never shown more than flashes (of course nobody develops under Orr, so may not be his fault). If Denny comes in and shows the ability to shoot right away I wouldn't think we'll be seeing much of Henderson at all. Of course that assumes Orr is gone. If Orr is here Denny probably will play 6 minutes a night next year.

Ive got it laid out in my head as a rotation that looks a bit like this.
1 Tisdale 20 Clarke 20
2 Clarke 15 Denny 20 Henderson 5
3 Parker 25 Henderson 8 Sealey 7
4 Holmes 20 Sealey 15 Mayleben 5
5 Black 25 Holmes 10 Gomez 5

The real rotation is 3 of Tidale-Clarke and Denny at the 1 and 2 and 3 of Sealey-Black and Holmes at the 4 and 5. Thats only a 6 guy rotation. Parker adds 7. Henderson-Gomez and Mayleben play just because they are 8-9-10 in this scenario. I could see a real scenario where Henderson plays sparingly and the other 2 never see the floor. FWIW Mayleben averaged 8.5pts and 5.8rebounds this year.

My hope with the rotation is that at the very least whoever is coach doesn't think that he can only play a player at one position. I am so sick of Holmes not getting on the floor because you have to have Black on the floor and you can't play them together.

[guest44]

Mayleben will get redshirted. Gomez will be lucky to take off his warmup.

[BleedOrange]

Glo'tter, I think your rotation is kookybats, but we've disagreed before. Under a sane coach, your main guys are Clarke, Sealey, and Holmes.

1. Clarke, Tisdale
2. Denny/Henderson
3. Sealey, Parker
4. Holmes
5. Black

Also, I see many situations where Black rotates out and is replaced with someone like Parker or one of the guards.

I'm not counting on either of the 6-10, 8ppg-high-school guys sticking if Orr leaves.

It's very hard to speculate on what Denny and Tisdale can do for us right out of the gate.

[Globetrotter]

Glo'tter, I think your rotation is kookybats, but we've disagreed before. Under a sane coach, your main guys are Clarke, Sealey, and Holmes.

1. Clarke, Tisdale
2. Denny/Henderson
3. Sealey, Parker
4. Holmes
5. Black

Also, I see many situations where Black rotates out and is replaced with someone like Parker or one of the guards.

I'm not counting on either of the 6-10, 8ppg-high-school guys sticking if Orr leaves.

It's very hard to speculate on what Denny and Tisdale can do for us right out of the gate.

Clarke has shown nothing that says he can be our PG and a ton that says he can't.
Sealey has transitioned to more of a PF as he added weight. I hope he can play SF but I am not sure that's the case. He also just hasn't done much with the PT he has gotten.
Other then that we nearly completely agree.

Holmes and Clarke are your stars next year. Black-Sealey are your next 2 best players.

[Globetrotter]

Nice article on Mayleben

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... ck_check=1

[Class of 61]

Nice article on Mayleben

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... ck_check=1

And he says in this article that Louis Orr was the reason he signed with BG. If Orr goes, what does he do then?

[guest44]

Nothing like the article that starts out stating that his statistics won't jump out at you. Hahaha. This article is just another example of why BG basketball is headed toward 20 losses.

[hammb]

Nice article on Mayleben

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... ck_check=1

And he says in this article that Louis Orr was the reason he signed with BG. If Orr goes, what does he do then?

Hopefully he goes with him.

I have no hope for big guys that can't even average 10 lousy points in HS.

[Warthog]

Nice article on Mayleben

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... ck_check=1

And he says in this article that Louis Orr was the reason he signed with BG. If Orr goes, what does he do then?

Hopefully he goes with him.

I have no hope for big guys that can't even average 10 lousy points in HS.

Or just 6 rebounds!

[Globetrotter]

Im not sure that if I found a few guys with legit height that I could not put together a team of friends and beat the BG team. And trust me that's not me bragging. I am slow, can't jump, can't ball handle. I can shoot a mean foul shot.

[guest44]

Orr loves length as much as he loves his faith. Combine the two and your headed to BG on a fulll ride, whether nobody else wants you or not.

[BleedOrange]

Glo'tter, I think your rotation is kookybats, but we've disagreed before. Under a sane coach, your main guys are Clarke, Sealey, and Holmes.

1. Clarke, Tisdale
2. Denny/Henderson
3. Sealey, Parker
4. Holmes
5. Black

Also, I see many situations where Black rotates out and is replaced with someone like Parker or one of the guards.

I'm not counting on either of the 6-10, 8ppg-high-school guys sticking if Orr leaves.

It's very hard to speculate on what Denny and Tisdale can do for us right out of the gate.

Clarke has shown nothing that says he can be our PG and a ton that says he can't.
Sealey has transitioned to more of a PF as he added weight. I hope he can play SF but I am not sure that's the case. He also just hasn't done much with the PT he has gotten.
Other then that we nearly completely agree.

Holmes and Clarke are your stars next year. Black-Sealey are your next 2 best players.

Disagree on Clarke: Clarke has great court vision and can distribute the ball to open players well. He's a willing passer and can get in the lane in a blink. However, he does make me a little nervous with his risk taking and tendency to play out of control. I think that having a good coach over the past couple of years could have helped with this.

Concerning Sealey: He is still thin and super quick. He is extremely quick of the floor and has a nose for the ball on rebounds. He moves very quickly in half court sets. Furthermore, I don't believe that he has the strength or body weight to be a consistent position low-post defender.

I have a POV on statistics that I'd like you to carefully consider. When you play 10mpg, your minutes are inconsistent and spotty. You are never quite sure when you're going to suddenly be on the court. When you go in games, you are thrown into a heated situation against players that are already heated. Psychologically, this has an impact on what a player does. The inevitable disorientation causes tentativeness. It can also freeze a players shooting abilities.
Compare that with a someone who plays consistently and is always in the flow of the game. Furthermore, because limited "observations", there is a larger error factor in how statistics reveal actual ability and "would-be" performance if the player played consistently...it's bad science. Basically, there is FAR too strong of a tendency in this forum to hold bad statistics against part-time players. If you do not understand this, I'd highly recommend STATS 211, the initial Statistics class that business majors take at BG. This sort of knowledge is critical for being a good consumer of data and information.

[Globetrotter]

Glo'tter, I think your rotation is kookybats, but we've disagreed before. Under a sane coach, your main guys are Clarke, Sealey, and Holmes.

1. Clarke, Tisdale
2. Denny/Henderson
3. Sealey, Parker
4. Holmes
5. Black

Also, I see many situations where Black rotates out and is replaced with someone like Parker or one of the guards.

I'm not counting on either of the 6-10, 8ppg-high-school guys sticking if Orr leaves.

It's very hard to speculate on what Denny and Tisdale can do for us right out of the gate.

Clarke has shown nothing that says he can be our PG and a ton that says he can't.
Sealey has transitioned to more of a PF as he added weight. I hope he can play SF but I am not sure that's the case. He also just hasn't done much with the PT he has gotten.
Other then that we nearly completely agree.

Holmes and Clarke are your stars next year. Black-Sealey are your next 2 best players.

Disagree on Clarke: Clarke has great court vision and can distribute the ball to open players well. He's a willing passer and can get in the lane in a blink. However, he does make me a little nervous with his risk taking and tendency to play out of control. I think that having a good coach over the past couple of years could have helped with this.

Concerning Sealey: He is still thin and super quick. He is extremely quick of the floor and has a nose for the ball on rebounds. He moves very quickly in half court sets. Furthermore, I don't believe that he has the strength or body weight to be a consistent position low-post defender.

I have a POV on statistics that I'd like you to carefully consider. When you play 10mpg, your minutes are inconsistent and spotty. You are never quite sure when you're going to suddenly be on the court. When you go in games, you are thrown into a heated situation against players that are already heated. Psychologically, this has an impact on what a player does. The inevitable disorientation causes tentativeness. It can also freeze a players shooting abilities.
Compare that with a someone who plays consistently and is always in the flow of the game. Furthermore, because limited "observations", there is a larger error factor in how statistics reveal actual ability and "would-be" performance if the player played consistently...it's bad science. Basically, there is FAR too strong of a tendency in this forum to hold bad statistics against part-time players. If you do not understand this, I'd highly recommend STATS 211, the initial Statistics class that business majors take at BG. This sort of knowledge is critical for being a good consumer of data and information.

Thats a very wierd ending to a post....but aside from that, you are trying to say that these guys can do things they have never been shown to do based off the fact that they don't get consistent time nor have consistent roles. You are doing the exact same thing you are saying people are doing here, but instead of looking at the negative evidence, which there is more of, you are making up positive evidence. Clarke and Sealey were worthless with the time they got for much of the year. They have flashed potential but more often, even when they have gotten the minutes, they have been either invisible or highly visible in a negative way. If you look soley at their athleticism they are at the higher end for potential star players on the squad. Potential too. However, Clarke can't handle the ball well enough to use this court vision you suggest he has, and his lack of decision making combines to make him even more of a liability at the one. His quick first step and athleticism tell me is a better fit at the 2 even if he can sometimes play the 1. As far as Sealey goes, he is athletic, but doesn't have the wing skills to play outside, and we ask our 3's to do that, pretty much everyone does.

Sealey has played over 15 minutes in 8 games this year. His stat line
11/9 Lake Erie 16 mins 4pts 4rebs
11/19 Robert Morris 16 mins 7pts 4rebs
12/1 Youngstown St 19 mins 6pts 1reb
1/26 Toledo 15 mins 2pts 3reb
1/30 Akron 19 mins 10pts 3reb
2/2 Ball St 19 mins 4pts 2reb
2/9 OU 16 mins 8pts 12reb
2/23 IPFW 18 mins 3pts 1 reb

His main trait is that he is athletic and runs the floor well. He isn't a good shooter, rebounder, won't get you assists or a ton of steals-even with his athleticism.

Clarke has played over 15 minutes in 9 games this year. His stat line
11/12 CSU 15mins 2pts 5assts 0turnovers 0-7 shooting
11/19 Robert Morris 27mins 8pts 2assts 4tos
11/20 Alabama Huntsville 18mins 7pts 3assts 1tos
11/27 Detroit 18mins 7pts 3assists 3tos
12/1 Youngstown St 16mins 5pts 0ast 2tos
2/16 akron 19mins 3pts 0assts 1to
2/21 NO 17mins 3pts 2assts 3tos
2/23 IPFW 15mins 6pts 1asst 2tos
2/27 Miami 17mins 7pts 2assts 1to

I am glad Clarke and Sealey are in the rotation but I don't want Clarke handling the ball as a one and I don't think Sealey should be starting unless we absolutely can't find another small forward.