Recruiting before 4-17

[MarkL]

Ask me if I seriously considered .... "OU-Dayton-OSU-Miami." Answer is no. No. No. No. No. Means nothing at all.

I picked Bowling Green because of the Digital Arts program. And because of the band, the football team, and the football environment. Per an article on the subject it was ranked #3 such program in the country. My art and photography teachers highly recommended Bowling Green. My top two were Bowling Green and Cincinnati, you know, with DAAP (top programs in architecture, art, interior design). My teachers said of course whichever one I prefer I should pick but they said the atmosphere for learning is better at Bowling Green. The specific art program is better and the culture in the art program is a better fit for me they said. Between that and the scholarships between the two I was at BG. Transferred out of art quickly into CS and have been really happy. I think BG computer science was the first such program in the state. Not positive on that one. When I graduated there was 100% placement in my class. Every single person had either a full time job offer or acceptance into grad school. I believe every one of us did at least one internship and many of those full time offers came via internships. Why? Because employers know if you want to find well taught and innovative coders, go to the Bowling Green job fair and look for computer science students.

My band teacher went to Miami. He told me Bowling Green music ed is a great, great program which it is and if I were to get bored of art and want to do music I'm at a good home.
One of my science teachers who also was a lacrosse coach went to Bowling Green. Couldn't recommend it enough.
One of my other science teachers also went to Bowling Green. Kinda an oddball but he couldn't say enough good about his time there.

It's a great school. End of story.

[MarkL]

Oh and BTW that #3 ranked digital art program ... I know folks from Canada, Colorado, and Texas that have all gone to BG for digital art. Jordan Sigalet, if you remember that name (I certainly do) studied digital art. It has put folks into ILM, Pixar, top video game studies, ...

[Globetrotter]

Oh and BTW that #3 ranked digital art program ... I know folks from Canada, Colorado, and Texas that have all gone to BG for digital art. Jordan Sigalet, if you remember that name (I certainly do) studied digital art. It has put folks into ILM, Pixar, top video game studies, ...

Glad to hear it.

[h2oville rocket]

Seriously? You work with THOUSANDS of students each year and those are just the ones you discuss colleges with and who wouldn't consider going to BG? I'm figuring roughly 200 school days a year, and at least 2,000 kids (counting ONLY those who wouldn't consider BG) to get into the thousands. That means you work with ten different kids a day who tell you that they wouldn't consider BG? What the hell do you do for a living?

[Globetrotter]

Seriously? You work with THOUSANDS of students each year and those are just the ones you discuss colleges with and who wouldn't consider going to BG? I'm figuring roughly 200 school days a year, and at least 2,000 kids (counting ONLY those who wouldn't consider BG) to get into the thousands. That means you work with ten different kids a day who tell you that they wouldn't consider BG? What the hell do you do for a living?

Work at a school that they all chose over BG and ask them alot of questions. None ever really consider Toledo either. It usually comes down to OSU-OU-Miami-Dayton-Case-Cincy or out of state. Thousands is an overstatement. I should have said over a thousand.

[factman]

I don't know how he would have time to work with one or two a day, as much time as he spends posting this BS on here!
I guess your "facts and figures" could be reversed, and all 15-18,000 that are at BGSU, chose BG over that "fine" institution where you work!

[h2oville rocket]

Seriously? You work with THOUSANDS of students each year and those are just the ones you discuss colleges with and who wouldn't consider going to BG? I'm figuring roughly 200 school days a year, and at least 2,000 kids (counting ONLY those who wouldn't consider BG) to get into the thousands. That means you work with ten different kids a day who tell you that they wouldn't consider BG? What the hell do you do for a living?

Work at a school that they all chose over BG and ask them alot of questions. None ever really consider Toledo either. It usually comes down to OSU-OU-Miami-Dayton-Case-Cincy or out of state. Thousands is an overstatement. I should have said over a thousand.

I'm with factman on this one (and pretty much ONLY on this one ) that your population might be pretty skewed. If you worked at BG and asked lots of questions you would find many who chose BG over whatever school you work for. I come in contact with tens of students from UT and BG who tell me that they chose BG over other schools that accepted them because they liked the atmosphere, the programs or some other aspect of BG's culture better than they liked that of OU, OSU or Miami. Same can be said for UT. If you go to Guilford College or Arkansas State or wherever I'm guessing the students you come in contact with will say they chose that school for reasons and never considered larger schools where they were accepted. I haven't been a student for a long time but I did choose UT over OU, Miami, OSU, Penn State and a couple others and it had nothing to do with my coach who left after one year (I know its track, not hoops or football but the coach is still a consideration in any sport).

[Lord_Byron]

Yea, what H2O said (except for the possessive its).

Or to put it more succinctly:

Selection Bias

[Globetrotter]

I'm with factman on this one (and pretty much ONLY on this one ) that your population might be pretty skewed. If you worked at BG and asked lots of questions you would find many who chose BG over whatever school you work for. I come in contact with tens of students from UT and BG who tell me that they chose BG over other schools that accepted them because they liked the atmosphere, the programs or some other aspect of BG's culture better than they liked that of OU, OSU or Miami. Same can be said for UT. If you go to Guilford College or Arkansas State or wherever I'm guessing the students you come in contact with will say they chose that school for reasons and never considered larger schools where they were accepted. I haven't been a student for a long time but I did choose UT over OU, Miami, OSU, Penn State and a couple others and it had nothing to do with my coach who left after one year (I know its track, not hoops or football but the coach is still a consideration in any sport).

If it were true in my years of working here I would have met someone who strongly considered BG before going here. I would have friends who said...I could have gone to BG but chose Miami-OU-OSU instead. It may be selection bias...but this phenonemon is then unexplainable.

I guess it could be true that
1) People who go to these other schools never even considered BG.
2) People who go to BG could have gotten into these other schools easily.

But then what explains that?

Some stats.
BGSU
Avg ACT 19-24
12% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
70% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

Dayton
ACT 24-29
23% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
81% of Freshman in the top 50% pf class

OSU
ACT 26-30
53% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
99% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

OU
ACT 21-26
15% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
85% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

Miami
ACT 24-29
37% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
98% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

[Globetrotter]

FWIW I think that the individual programs many of you have mentionedare a good argument as to why a student would choose BG.

[hammb]

I'm with factman on this one (and pretty much ONLY on this one ) that your population might be pretty skewed. If you worked at BG and asked lots of questions you would find many who chose BG over whatever school you work for. I come in contact with tens of students from UT and BG who tell me that they chose BG over other schools that accepted them because they liked the atmosphere, the programs or some other aspect of BG's culture better than they liked that of OU, OSU or Miami. Same can be said for UT. If you go to Guilford College or Arkansas State or wherever I'm guessing the students you come in contact with will say they chose that school for reasons and never considered larger schools where they were accepted. I haven't been a student for a long time but I did choose UT over OU, Miami, OSU, Penn State and a couple others and it had nothing to do with my coach who left after one year (I know its track, not hoops or football but the coach is still a consideration in any sport).

If it were true in my years of working here I would have met someone who strongly considered BG before going here.

Well I can assure you that I chose BG over being accepted at OSU.

I didn't like OSU's campus at all...still don't.
OSU's offering at the time wasn't as good as BG's...no idea how that compares today.
OSU was too big and too impersonal.
I liked that BG was close to home and I didn't have to pay room & board.

And this as somebody who grew up as a HUGE OSU fan and looked forward to being part of Scarlet & Grey nation. I also had the ability to go to pretty much any school I wanted.

I can at least guarantee this is one alum that BG was my choice, not a fallback.

[Globetrotter]

I'm with factman on this one (and pretty much ONLY on this one ) that your population might be pretty skewed. If you worked at BG and asked lots of questions you would find many who chose BG over whatever school you work for. I come in contact with tens of students from UT and BG who tell me that they chose BG over other schools that accepted them because they liked the atmosphere, the programs or some other aspect of BG's culture better than they liked that of OU, OSU or Miami. Same can be said for UT. If you go to Guilford College or Arkansas State or wherever I'm guessing the students you come in contact with will say they chose that school for reasons and never considered larger schools where they were accepted. I haven't been a student for a long time but I did choose UT over OU, Miami, OSU, Penn State and a couple others and it had nothing to do with my coach who left after one year (I know its track, not hoops or football but the coach is still a consideration in any sport).

If it were true in my years of working here I would have met someone who strongly considered BG before going here.

Well I can assure you that I chose BG over being accepted at OSU.

I didn't like OSU's campus at all...still don't.
OSU's offering at the time wasn't as good as BG's...no idea how that compares today.
OSU was too big and too impersonal.
I liked that BG was close to home and I didn't have to pay room & board.

And this as somebody who grew up as a HUGE OSU fan and looked forward to being part of Scarlet & Grey nation. I also had the ability to go to pretty much any school I wanted.

I can at least guarantee this is one alum that BG was my choice, not a fallback.

I chose BG over Miami, but if I am honest I didn't put much thought into it and I don't know where I would have gone if I had. I had great experiences at BG. When I was choosing my grad and professional programs I looked around a ton more and had much more criteria.

OSU's relation to Columbus offers a great deal more opportunities than BG does. I think living this close to a big city is very very important. I didn't consider OSU for the same reasons when I was looking at schools. I wish I had atleast considered it because it would have helped me move out of my comfort zone more. Also when we were looking at schools the gap in rankings between OSU and BG wasn't as far as it is now.

[h2oville rocket]

Yea, what H2O said (except for the possessive its).

Or to put it more succinctly:

Selection Bias

I do know its track. I've been over every square inch of it and it's a beautiful track, much better than it was in my day.

[h2oville rocket]

Some stats.
BGSU
Avg ACT 19-24
12% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
70% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

Dayton
ACT 24-29
23% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
81% of Freshman in the top 50% pf class

OSU
ACT 26-30
53% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
99% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

OU
ACT 21-26
15% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
85% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

Miami
ACT 24-29
37% of Freshman in the top 10% of class
98% of Freshman in the top 50% of class

I'm suspicious of any statistics that state an average as a range. Probably compiled by OSU or Miami stats students.

[kdog27]

I thought the same H20 though the middle of those ranges looks about right.