Our new coach?

[BleedOrange]

I've understood that an Orr buyout is impossible due to budgetary issues and recent salary and staff reductions with the faculty. So even though we in principle should have bought out Orr, we just couldn't?

Am I misinformed?

[Globetrotter]

I've understood that an Orr buyout is impossible due to budgetary issues and recent salary and staff reductions with the faculty. So even though we in principle should have bought out Orr, we just couldn't?

Am I misinformed?

I know that has always been the common thought around here but I dont think its really known.

[Globetrotter]

Some Bobby Lutz interviews.

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2011/04/0 ... obby-lutz/

http://www.backingthepack.com/2013/4/16 ... -interview

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/forum ... ts_page=-1

[FalconTurf]

I would suggest that if Orr had the program at a point of NCAA scholarship reductions and filling the blotter weekly with mis-behaving student-athletes the powerful boosters would find the money to buy him out. I don't see any coach at BGSU being fired before the end of a contract for anything less than bad behavior/academics within their program. Best of my knowledge all 4 seniors graduated as of this summer and the remaining players have kept themselves clear of the law. I think it's time to suck it up and deal with the fact that if there is going to be a turn-around year it will be with Coach Orr at the helm.

I'm done reading these pointless threads. I believe these types of threads accomplish nothing. Coach Orr is the coach and will be until the end of next season.

[Globetrotter]

I would suggest that if Orr had the program at a point of NCAA scholarship reductions and filling the blotter weekly with mis-behaving student-athletes the powerful boosters would find the money to buy him out. I don't see any coach at BGSU being fired before the end of a contract for anything less than bad behavior/academics within their program. Best of my knowledge all 4 seniors graduated as of this summer and the remaining players have kept themselves clear of the law. I think it's time to suck it up and deal with the fact that if there is going to be a turn-around year it will be with Coach Orr at the helm.

I'm done reading these pointless threads. I believe these types of threads accomplish nothing. Coach Orr is the coach and will be until the end of next season.

Way to take a stand!

[HoopsFan]

I look at it this way. In about 5 months, we start the final 122(4) days of the Louie Orr era.

Let's get this train wreck over with.

HoopsFan

[Flipper]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

[Globetrotter]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

Why not?

[footballguy51]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

Why not?

First off, would you want to be known as somebody that "cleans house" as soon as they show up? You will then be regarded as the person to bring in when you need to cut a bunch of people, not the person to bring in to operate and direct an athletic department. Also, if he were to immediately cut Orr and bring in somebody new, and that new person is worse than Orr (either win/loss, personality, team issues, etc.), that's a huge black eye for not only him but also the entire administration at BG that selected him. It's best to let Orr finish his contract and then either keep him if he did phenomenal or not renew him and hire somebody then. Helps to save face in case the new hire isn't everything that everybody hoped for.

[Globetrotter]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

Why not?

First off, would you want to be known as somebody that "cleans house" as soon as they show up? You will then be regarded as the person to bring in when you need to cut a bunch of people, not the person to bring in to operate and direct an athletic department. Also, if he were to immediately cut Orr and bring in somebody new, and that new person is worse than Orr (either win/loss, personality, team issues, etc.), that's a huge black eye for not only him but also the entire administration at BG that selected him. It's best to let Orr finish his contract and then either keep him if he did phenomenal or not renew him and hire somebody then. Helps to save face in case the new hire isn't everything that everybody hoped for.

Would you want to be known as somebody that "cleans house" as soon as they show up? Yes. in this case with the basketball program, absolutely.

Can you imagine the accountability that the rest of the staff would have immediately. The workplace would be much more efficient. And besides we are talking about 1 of 18 sports and you are dropping a guy 9 months before he would be dropped anyway. He wouldn't be coming in and just firing willy nilly.

I don't really follow the point about a new coach being worse than Orr. That's almost impossible and that's like marrying a girl that's just ok because you don't know if you can get something better.

I would want to be known as the person who had the guts to make a change at a nontraditional time because I refused to let the program dig itself deeper into a hole and I refused to lose one more fan and I refused to squander any momentum the new arena was bringing me.

[Flipper]

He's not going to fire anyone right off because it's an ugly thing to do...would you want to be that guy...the guy who rolls into town and right of the bat sends a guy with a contract packing? He doesn't even know where the toner is kept in the office yet, but he's going to just up and fire one of the highest profile members of the department? It's not realistic....

[Lord_Byron]

He's not going to fire anyone right off because it's an ugly thing to do...would you want to be that guy...the guy who rolls into town and right of the bat sends a guy with a contract packing? He doesn't even know where the toner is kept in the office yet, but he's going to just up and fire one of the highest profile members of the department? It's not realistic....

Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell us that you've looked at the situation, applied knowledge acquired through life experience and reached a rational conclusion that fits into a generally accepted model of organizational development?

Threre's no room for that here. These are the internets. . .

[mscarn]

He's not going to fire anyone right off because it's an ugly thing to do...would you want to be that guy...the guy who rolls into town and right of the bat sends a guy with a contract packing? He doesn't even know where the toner is kept in the office yet, but he's going to just up and fire one of the highest profile members of the department? It's not realistic....

Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell us that you've looked at the situation, applied knowledge acquired through life experience and reached a rational conclusion that fits into a generally accepted model of organizational development?

Threre's no room for that here. These are the internets. . .

It won't happen, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't.

Do the cutting-edge, high achieving, innovative organizations abide by the mantra of "It's never been done before so you can't do it?"

The Buffalo AD pretty much did the same thing. The only question is accelerating the timetable.

Here's organizational development 101: gross negligence is grounds for termination. By any objective standard or metric, the current head basketball coach has failed to deliver on the most fundamental purpose of his job at the Division I level, i.e. win more games than you lose and compete for championships. If the leader of an organization has repeatedly demonstrated the inability to perform the basic duties and functions of the job (i.e. fill the allotment of scholarships) it's an easier call than blue or blank ink for the toner.

What's irrational is accepting that one winning season in six years is palatable to the fan base. What's irrational is losing first round tournament home games to teams with even worse records than you. What's irrational is seeing the same mistakes repeated again and again and having no coherent plan to rectify them. The "life expereinces" of BGSU fans for the past six years have included walking out of arenas befuddled at the ineptitude of the program they love and it's perfectly rational to expect better regardless of its convenience or its perceived violation of some arbitrary grace period that will do nothing but hasten the decline of the program.

[hammb]

It's also quite likely that the new guy has almost NO knowledge of the basketball situation. I mean I'm sure he could look at records, and I'm sure the discussion of the state of the major sports was part of the interview process, but beyond that? I doubt the man has even talked to Orr yet.

As a fan who has watched this program slowly bleed to death under Louis Orr he cannot be gone quick enough for me. It won't happen, but even if they won the damned national title this year I wouldn't want him roaming the sidelines and looking clueless and failing to grant interviews for the '14-15 season. Unfortunately, though, I think the best thing for the program is probably to let him ride off into the sunset this year.

While I realize that the new AD has some ties to potentially good candidates, I'd prefer him to make his first hire by properly investigating all avenues. Unfortunately, that can't really happen in the timeframe that he'll be on the job. And I have no more interest in paying the buyout to watch Hopson, et al coach the team than I do in watching Orr do it.

To me it makes sense to just go into this season knowing that this ship is in its death knell. Spend the year researching candidates and watching hot assistants that you think could make good head coaches. I see value in letting a rookie AD take an entire hoops season to decide on his first hire and make sure he gets it right rather than solely relying on past contacts. Maybe one of those guys IS the best option, I don't know, but I'd hate to rush into it solely to be rid of Orr now.

I want Orr gone as much as anybody, but to me the most important thing is getting the right guy. I'm just afraid that trying to make a move after July will make it difficult to get the right guy.

[BGorDeath]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

I don't think running around the Woodland Mall in his underwear would get him fired because there would not be anyone at the mall to witness and thus verify that he was doing this. Now, if he did this at Wal-Mart...he would just be seen as a another regular customer. I guess it would have to be something other than Lou running around in his underwear to get himself dismissed.