Our new coach?

[Globetrotter]

generally accepted model of organizational development?

. .

How about the generally accepted model of running a college basketball program where you fire a coach before his last year or give him an extension because he is T-rex armed in recruiting and it buries your program for years.

And what is it about the internets that makes normal people into condescending wierdos.

[Globetrotter]

It's also quite likely that the new guy has almost NO knowledge of the basketball situation. I mean I'm sure he could look at records, and I'm sure the discussion of the state of the major sports was part of the interview process, but beyond that? I doubt the man has even talked to Orr yet.

As a fan who has watched this program slowly bleed to death under Louis Orr he cannot be gone quick enough for me. It won't happen, but even if they won the damned national title this year I wouldn't want him roaming the sidelines and looking clueless and failing to grant interviews for the '14-15 season. Unfortunately, though, I think the best thing for the program is probably to let him ride off into the sunset this year.

While I realize that the new AD has some ties to potentially good candidates, I'd prefer him to make his first hire by properly investigating all avenues. Unfortunately, that can't really happen in the timeframe that he'll be on the job. And I have no more interest in paying the buyout to watch Hopson, et al coach the team than I do in watching Orr do it.

To me it makes sense to just go into this season knowing that this ship is in its death knell. Spend the year researching candidates and watching hot assistants that you think could make good head coaches. I see value in letting a rookie AD take an entire hoops season to decide on his first hire and make sure he gets it right rather than solely relying on past contacts. Maybe one of those guys IS the best option, I don't know, but I'd hate to rush into it solely to be rid of Orr now.

I want Orr gone as much as anybody, but to me the most important thing is getting the right guy. I'm just afraid that trying to make a move after July will make it difficult to get the right guy.

Always love your insight for sure but here are a few counter and contributing thoughts.

1. I completely agree with the statement that we can't do an in depth search, however there are candidates out there still moving. Chris Jent just moved for instance.
2. It might actually be a positive if we do the search off the traditional timeline because we don't have to compete with anyone. I'm Not sure if we get a guy like Bobby Whatshisname if there are other options and he sees the state of the current program and the lack of investment.
3. It doesn't matter if he knows that much about the basketball situation because all he really needs to know is that we have a lameduck coach. You just don't let a coach ride out his final year without an extension or a firing. It shouldn't happen because you can't recruit. Hence we have 11 scholarship players.

[mscarn]

Just watched the press conference. It was a tour de force and hit all the right notes. This guy gets it: big picture, small picture, past, present, future, zombie apocalypse future, etc.

Us interwebs loons may be crazy but we can do math: win/loss records, operating budgets, recruiting budgets and coaches salaries. He doesn't need to be told the obvious, speaks the language of a winner and recognizes the enormous potential of BGSU. I don't think he'll permit a baseball program to be underfunded, have a Division I basketball staff without a GA or video coordinator or any of the other highly correctable errors that, once fixed, will complement the terrific people that populate the university/department who have managed to achieve success in spite of such limitations.

Whatever he does in relation to the basketball program will be in the best strategic interests of BGSU.

[Flipper]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

I don't think running around the Woodland Mall in his underwear would get him fired because there would not be anyone at the mall to witness and thus verify that he was doing this. Now, if he did this at Wal-Mart...he would just be seen as a another regular customer. I guess it would have to be something other than Lou running around in his underwear to get himself dismissed.

What if it he were to use someone else's underwear?

[Flipper]

I don't think the hesitancy to fire an underperformer right off has anything to do with a spirit of innovation or lack thereof...in addition ot the points made earlier, I think it's a matter of priorities. Kingston has a lot to get his arms around organizationally...and there are some huge challenges financially that have to be tackled if we're going to build a pipeline capable of supporting 34% increase in the operating budget. Given all that's ahead of him, I tend to think that making a change in March of 2014 is compressing that timeline enough as it is.

The new AD in Buffalo took over in spring/summer of 2012 and 'Spoon was gone in the spring of 2013....I think that scenario is the best we can hope for at this point.

[BleedOrange]

If Kingston would fire Orr immediately, BGSU would still have to eat the final year of the contract, which I believe is politically and budgetarily unacceptable.

It would be far too late for the new coach to fill the last two scholarships. It would be awkward establishing his organization in mid summer. At this point, fortunately, none of our players have announced that they are transferring - firing Orr could change that. I suspect that, given the type of person Orr is, the players are personally loyal to him.

While Orr has under performed, we've not lost 20 games or posted some horrendous years like NIU. And ditto about players graduating and staying out of the blotter.

[falconfan1]

bleed, flipper and mscarn equals right above on all counts.

Chris Kingston will make the best decision for BGSU men's basketball, BGSU athletics and BGSU. He will make it at what he sees as the right time and in the right way. Any other earlier action would not be the best for BG men's basketball etc long term. Kingston isn't thinking six months ahead. He is thinking six years ahead. Potentially a very very good hire.

Go Falcons!

[BGorDeath]

Short of a meltdown that leads him to run around the Woodland mall in his underwear...Louis Orr will be here until March of 2014. The new AD isn't gong to ride into town and start firing people....it just doesn't work that way.

I don't think running around the Woodland Mall in his underwear would get him fired because there would not be anyone at the mall to witness and thus verify that he was doing this. Now, if he did this at Wal-Mart...he would just be seen as a another regular customer. I guess it would have to be something other than Lou running around in his underwear to get himself dismissed.

What if it he were to use someone else's underwear?

I guess if they were President Mazey's...

[fredthefalcon]

Well coaching changes due happen in June. Probably not truly applicable but Becky Francis who had 225+ career wins in WBB for Oakland U was relieved of her duties yesterday. Now the odd thing--she is married to the President of Oakland U who recently announced his retirement effective August 1. A little crazy and she probably didn't even walk around a mall in her underwear.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130612/S ... basketball

[MacGuy]

1. The new AD isn't going to be firing anyone unless the president tells him to.

2. Trying to increase budgets is getting tougher every day. If football is going to be shut out of big payday games because the power leagues only want to play each other, the entire MAC is in trouble.

3. Just my opinion, but I believe that Richaun Holmes will be the top big man in the MAC this season, and will be the POY his senior year and get drafted.

[falconwomenbball]

Well coaching changes due happen in June. Probably not truly applicable but Becky Francis who had 225+ career wins in WBB for Oakland U was relieved of her duties yesterday. Now the odd thing--she is married to the President of Oakland U who recently announced his retirement effective August 1. A little crazy and she probably didn't even walk around a mall in her underwear.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130612/S ... basketball

It certainly is a bad time to fire a coach. But what I think is really bad is that Oakland has named a men's assistant coach as the interim women's head coach while the search going on. I hope this person doesn't become the head coach permanently! I can't understand why Oakland would do this. This certainly doesn't happen in men's college basketball.

[guest44]

If Holmes is the best big man in the MAC next year that will be quite an accomplishment. Especially, as a guy coming off the bench since a returning starter plays the same position in BG's video game like substitution patterns.

[BGFalconfromCincy]

This gets you fired at Charlotte

Lutz served as the head coach at Charlotte from 1999-2010, where he led his alma mater to eight postseason appearances (five NCAA, three NIT) in his 12 years at the helm. He is the winningest coach in 49er history, posting a record of 218-158 and is the only coach in school history to make back-to-back NCAA Tournament appearance twice in his career.

From what I remember hearing around different places Charlotte people thought they would enter the A10 and just dominate it year in and year out because of how well they performed in CUSA against the powers in the league of UC, Louisville, Marquette, Memphis, and so on. Not sure how much of that was true but I remember hearing about that somewhere during his time at Charlotte when they were in the A10

[mscarn]

1. The new AD isn't going to be firing anyone unless the president tells him to.

I assume you mean just over the next few weeks. Lacking autonomy over staffing might put a wrench into step one ("People") of his core philosphy regarding successful athletic departments.