Flipper wrote:WTF is your problem? I never claimed to be speaking for anyone but myself...I don't know what other people are doing...I don't care what they're doing and I'm not attempting to address what they're doing. You asked me a question...I gave you an answer. You can choose to be a dick about it if you like, but I'm done with this nonsense.
Sorry bro, this one is on you. You keep going into threads and picking at people.
I did no such thing...you asked a question...I answered it. Quit being so thin skinned....
Lighten up Francis...
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footballguy51 wrote:One thing that was attempted last year was bringing the game to you. They did that after Thanksgiving. I'm not sure how the attendance looked for that game versus other Black Friday games, or if we even got other people to attend the game that wouldn't have otherwise. I know I went to that game but would have gone if it were in BG.
I didn't like the idea of us moving that game to Columbus and I expressed my dislike for it before it was even played, but I went anyway. The crowd was pathetic. Yeah, it was a windy, cold day, but when it's it in Central or Northwest Ohio for that matter that time of the year? I give them credit for trying something new, but there was an ACTUAL attendance of only a couple thousand there. There was ZERO trade off in trying to create a different crowd for that game. I'm willing to bet the few people we attracted playing in Columbus we lost on the flip side by moving it to Columbus. When I buy season ticket, I am doing so to see HOME games - as in at Doyt - the stadium I gave donations to. If I want to see us play away from it, it's called a road game, and I will go like I do for those as well. We have tried for years to get more home games, the idea of giving them away drives me nuts. If we did such a stupid thing again for a game like Ohio or Miami by moving our home game closer to them, I would cancel my season tickets. I bitched about it last year but still gave it a fair shot by going. No thanks! Let someone else in the MAC do it. That idea was a big, fat dud.
Flipper wrote:WTF is your problem? I never claimed to be speaking for anyone but myself...I don't know what other people are doing...I don't care what they're doing and I'm not attempting to address what they're doing. You asked me a question...I gave you an answer. You can choose to be a dick about it if you like, but I'm done with this nonsense.
Sorry bro, this one is on you. You keep going into threads and picking at people.
I did no such thing...you asked a question...I answered it. Quit being so thin skinned....
From "WTF is your problem" to "quit being so thin skinned" on the same page?
Complaining about people not understanding the concept of "discussion" then reacting like an eight year-old when someone engages you...imagine that....
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote:Complaining about people not understanding the concept of "discussion" then reacting like an eight year-old when someone engages you...imagine that....
I think you need to look in the mirror on this one. You are the one who acts like an eight year old.
Bands are part of college football. Removing the band from the game day experience is wrong on many levels. It provides entertainment for the fans and participation in the band is another positive college experience for those students. If we're going to provide the entire educational experience to our students, a good marching band is part of it.
As for the game day experience.
1. Set a consistent start time on Saturdays and keep it. Whether it's 1:00, 3:30, 6:00. Just be consistent. Allow people to create a pre-and post- game experience that they don't have to re-plan every week. Much like the NFL.
2. End the season the Saturday before Thanksgiving.
Lord_Byron wrote:
1. Set a consistent start time on Saturdays and keep it. Whether it's 1:00, 3:30, 6:00. Just be consistent. Allow people to create a pre-and post- game experience that they don't have to re-plan every week. Much like the NFL.
Absolutely. Video might not have killed the radio star, but kowtowing to the vagaries of television has nearly ruined the live college football experience.
It would be one thing if the teams were actually getting on real, live TV channels that exposed them to millions of people. 75% of the time it's BCSN or the frickin' internet.
Lord_Byron wrote:
1. Set a consistent start time on Saturdays and keep it. Whether it's 1:00, 3:30, 6:00. Just be consistent. Allow people to create a pre-and post- game experience that they don't have to re-plan every week. Much like the NFL.
Absolutely. Video might not have killed the radio star, but kowtowing to the vagaries of television has nearly ruined the live college football experience.
It would be one thing if the teams were actually getting on real, live TV channels that exposed them to millions of people. 75% of the time it's BCSN or the frickin' internet.
ESPN doesn't care about mid-major football until November when they need something to fill mid-week time slots. Its highly unlikely a major network will offer the MAC a lucrative TV deal until their athletics show across multiple sports that they an compete on a national scale.
Lord_Byron wrote:
1. Set a consistent start time on Saturdays and keep it. Whether it's 1:00, 3:30, 6:00. Just be consistent. Allow people to create a pre-and post- game experience that they don't have to re-plan every week. Much like the NFL.
Absolutely. Video might not have killed the radio star, but kowtowing to the vagaries of television has nearly ruined the live college football experience.
It would be one thing if the teams were actually getting on real, live TV channels that exposed them to millions of people. 75% of the time it's BCSN or the frickin' internet.
Our home schedule has been pretty consistent this year. Thursday night game (2nd highest attended), then Saturday 3:30, Saturday 2:30, Saturday 3:30, Saturday 2:30. Finish on a Tuesday at 7:30. 4 different start times.
The Bengals for example will play on Sunday at 1, Sunday at 4, Sunday at 8:30, Thursday at 8:30, Monday at 8:30. 5 different start times.
Besides. BG has literally almost no control over start times. Unless they aren't on TV at all......which means they stink.
Lord_Byron wrote:Bands are part of college football. Removing the band from the game day experience is wrong on many levels. It provides entertainment for the fans and participation in the band is another positive college experience for those students. If we're going to provide the entire educational experience to our students, a good marching band is part of it.
Michael W.
BGSU-12 TIME MAC CHAMPION
FALCON FOOTBALL ROCKS!
Falcon137 wrote: . . .Our home schedule has been pretty consistent this year. Thursday night game (2nd highest attended), then Saturday 3:30, Saturday 2:30, Saturday 3:30, Saturday 2:30. Finish on a Tuesday at 7:30. 4 different start times. . .
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No argument about that, but the times weren't pre-set before the season. No one could make any long-term plans for gamedays.
I understand the TV aspect of it. I'm just looking at things that affect fan attendance.
Basically, we've got somewhere between 15-20 thousand fans who have proven that they'll come see us play. We've got to make sure we get them to return time after time.
Globetrotter wrote:So there have been lots of critiques, how would you improve the game experience?
Some Thoughts Game experience
I would have yell leaders instead of cheerleaders
I would have a very small band and/or simply involve local high school bands in some way each game.
I would have a youth game for five minutes of half time every game. Coaches by former bg players
I would give an sbx 1000 book scholarship to the best dressed bg student fan and announce it in between the first and second quarter. Or make it a competition and let the fans choose
Facilities
I would have a garden of honor between the basketball arena and football stadium with info and busts of the best players ever and information and highlights.
Concessions
I would sell pollyeyes breadstix and Myles in a picnic area just inside the stadium
Day of Event experience
I would have an area where you can buy beers outside of the stadium fenced in with gigantic tvs playing the Osu game before or after the game with a live bg student band during commercials and befor pre game.
I would create a shuttle that ran from the hotels to the downtown bars from noon to three am every football and basketball Saturday encouraging alumni to come
I would have a free coaches clinic with ex bg players helping kids outside prior to the game
And after the game.
I would break up the parking lot and name them by counties and have tailgaters park in the counties they were from, encouraging rivalries and ownership of the event
Tradition building
I would mandate that the football players and basketball players have a presence at all other bg home sporting events and campus wide events even a. Small presence with jerseys or gear on would do a lot. Have sign ups.
Glad to see you've got all these great ideas....now how about putting your money where your mouth is and actually SHOW UP AT BG FOR A GAME? Frankly, I have little respect for someone who admits he hasn't GONE to a game in ...what...over 10 YEARS? But has all these great ideas on how to "fix" things in BG.
FWIW, I live SE of Cleve., fairly close to Akron, and I, along with quite a few on this board who DO choose to come and back their school, travel more than 2 hrs. to get here. We tailgate, have a fun time talking and sharing. YOU choose obviously to stay away, then show us how things can be fixed. Frankly, I'd just as soon see you leave this board. Sorry if I'm 'venting' a bit, but you really pulled the chain on me this time.
BTW, the video of OSU's band WAS impressive...I do recall that they did something similar a couple of years ago, with a horse "running" across the field. They're good, but to say BG should downsize their band makes little or no sense to me.
The band does very little for most of those in attendance. It doesn't draw people to the games. These are just ideas. Doesn't make them right or wrong. Again, this is a discussion board. I am not sure you understand how discussion works. Not going to a game in that time doesn't disqualify me from having ideas. I have gone to plenty of OSU games, went to the game at Crew stadium. Come back and go to basketball games about once a year. I just don't find it compelling to go back to football games. And I think it's interesting because clearly I like falcon football. Just not interested in the hassle of the game.
Maybe stop being so combative and just realize this is reality and try to come up with ideas. You have been to lots of games and travel far with your lacrosse playing son. What ideas do you have to fix attendance and the gameday atmosphere?
I think the discussion is worth having for exactly the reasons you point out. You're obviously a sports fan and feel a connection to BG athletics or you wouldn't be on this site. I think it's worth discussing the reasons why you don't feel compelled to go to a game, because I'm sure they are the same for other could-be fans as well.
That said, I think your band opinion is wrong. When I had season tickets nearly every season ticket holder around me was a friend/family of band members. In fact it is VERY notable how many people leave after halftime, not because the game is boring, but because they were mainly only there for the band. My fiancee only goes to the games because I want to and because she enjoys the band. I know several BG band alumni that enjoy the band portion of the gameday experience as much or more than the game itself.
I definitely think the band brings some people into the games. Maybe not as many as we'd like, but I'd be willing to bet it is directly responsible for a relevant percentage of our total attendance. (5% maybe as a guess...)
That's awesome. And this is exactly what I am getting at. My experience of the game does not equal everyone else's. For me I am meh on the band. It doesn't add to my experience. But it doesn't detract either. What should be done is some sort of cost benefit analysis. What does it cost us to have a band and how would not having a band hurt the game environment and attendance. At the very least I think the band creates a large number of alums invested in the traditions and future at BG. The percentage of band people in here is very high.
A cost/benefit analysis of the BAND? The band costs athletics NOTHING. It's budget comes from the College of Music. And it's tiny compared to what is spent on the football team. We're talking ~$10-20,000 a year. And suggesting that band students provide entertainment during the commercials of the OSU game is flat out insulting to me. Just my two cents.
Globetrotter wrote:So there have been lots of critiques, how would you improve the game experience?
Some Thoughts Game experience
I would have yell leaders instead of cheerleaders
I would have a very small band and/or simply involve local high school bands in some way each game.
I would have a youth game for five minutes of half time every game. Coaches by former bg players
I would give an sbx 1000 book scholarship to the best dressed bg student fan and announce it in between the first and second quarter. Or make it a competition and let the fans choose
Facilities
I would have a garden of honor between the basketball arena and football stadium with info and busts of the best players ever and information and highlights.
Concessions
I would sell pollyeyes breadstix and Myles in a picnic area just inside the stadium
Day of Event experience
I would have an area where you can buy beers outside of the stadium fenced in with gigantic tvs playing the Osu game before or after the game with a live bg student band during commercials and befor pre game.
I would create a shuttle that ran from the hotels to the downtown bars from noon to three am every football and basketball Saturday encouraging alumni to come
I would have a free coaches clinic with ex bg players helping kids outside prior to the game
And after the game.
I would break up the parking lot and name them by counties and have tailgaters park in the counties they were from, encouraging rivalries and ownership of the event
Tradition building
I would mandate that the football players and basketball players have a presence at all other bg home sporting events and campus wide events even a. Small presence with jerseys or gear on would do a lot. Have sign ups.
Glad to see you've got all these great ideas....now how about putting your money where your mouth is and actually SHOW UP AT BG FOR A GAME? Frankly, I have little respect for someone who admits he hasn't GONE to a game in ...what...over 10 YEARS? But has all these great ideas on how to "fix" things in BG.
FWIW, I live SE of Cleve., fairly close to Akron, and I, along with quite a few on this board who DO choose to come and back their school, travel more than 2 hrs. to get here. We tailgate, have a fun time talking and sharing. YOU choose obviously to stay away, then show us how things can be fixed. Frankly, I'd just as soon see you leave this board. Sorry if I'm 'venting' a bit, but you really pulled the chain on me this time.
BTW, the video of OSU's band WAS impressive...I do recall that they did something similar a couple of years ago, with a horse "running" across the field. They're good, but to say BG should downsize their band makes little or no sense to me.
The band does very little for most of those in attendance. It doesn't draw people to the games. These are just ideas. Doesn't make them right or wrong. Again, this is a discussion board. I am not sure you understand how discussion works. Not going to a game in that time doesn't disqualify me from having ideas. I have gone to plenty of OSU games, went to the game at Crew stadium. Come back and go to basketball games about once a year. I just don't find it compelling to go back to football games. And I think it's interesting because clearly I like falcon football. Just not interested in the hassle of the game.
Maybe stop being so combative and just realize this is reality and try to come up with ideas. You have been to lots of games and travel far with your lacrosse playing son. What ideas do you have to fix attendance and the gameday atmosphere?
I think the discussion is worth having for exactly the reasons you point out. You're obviously a sports fan and feel a connection to BG athletics or you wouldn't be on this site. I think it's worth discussing the reasons why you don't feel compelled to go to a game, because I'm sure they are the same for other could-be fans as well.
That said, I think your band opinion is wrong. When I had season tickets nearly every season ticket holder around me was a friend/family of band members. In fact it is VERY notable how many people leave after halftime, not because the game is boring, but because they were mainly only there for the band. My fiancee only goes to the games because I want to and because she enjoys the band. I know several BG band alumni that enjoy the band portion of the gameday experience as much or more than the game itself.
I definitely think the band brings some people into the games. Maybe not as many as we'd like, but I'd be willing to bet it is directly responsible for a relevant percentage of our total attendance. (5% maybe as a guess...)
That's awesome. And this is exactly what I am getting at. My experience of the game does not equal everyone else's. For me I am meh on the band. It doesn't add to my experience. But it doesn't detract either. What should be done is some sort of cost benefit analysis. What does it cost us to have a band and how would not having a band hurt the game environment and attendance. At the very least I think the band creates a large number of alums invested in the traditions and future at BG. The percentage of band people in here is very high.
A cost/benefit analysis of the BAND? The band costs athletics NOTHING. It's budget comes from the College of Music. And it's tiny compared to what is spent on the football team. We're talking ~$10-20,000 a year. And suggesting that band students provide entertainment during the commercials of the OSU game is flat out insulting to me. Just my two cents.
I wouldnt want the BG band. I would say like a student rock band that would be more enjoyable for people at the event. They have the Danger Brothers down here and it's always fun.
Lord_Byron wrote: If we're going to provide the entire educational experience to our students, a good marching band is part of it.
Not really for 95% of the students on campus. I get that many of you loved your band experience but this is essentiallty like me showing you slides of my vacation to the Grand Canyon. You are viewing through the lens of how great it was for you.
