Kingston, please do something now!

[guest44]

Listen to the presser tonight? Kudos to Wagner for asking the question about his job. Lou knows it is about over.

[BGWriter]

Those people who are really upset about this could have done more and some have. I wrote to the Alumni Association and to the Athletic Department and told them both over a year ago that my donations to the university would not resume until Orr was gone. Up until that point, I was a Falcon Club member and routinely gave several thousand dollars a year to the university via various funds.

Now that may not seem like a lot of money in the overall scheme of things, but if enough people did it, believe me people would pay attention.

I've heard the argument that you shouldn't punish the entire university for this one stupid decision that was made, but the entire university is standing behind that decision -- so I see no reason to support anything until it's corrected.

In the meantime, the letters and phone calls I used to routinely get asking for donations from students working on behalf of the university foundation to folks in the athletic department have all stopped.

Honestly, I'm so embarrassed that they've let this go on as they have. It reeks of incompetence.

[falconfan1]

"We have problems!" says Globetrotter. You are right!!

"...partly on the people who gave the money" says guest44. You are wrong.

That was very tough to watch today. Very tough.

We can blame a guy in Cincy. We can blame a guy from Cincy. We can blame me. You can blame yourself. That's the past. Because it is, indeed, past. Soon.

I realize people are upset and embarrassed and feel better posting stuff about how bad we are and how we got there.

We are bad. And we did get there. No question.

But here's what will happen going forward IMO.

We will hire a great coach. He will hire a great staff. He will work at things that help energize the program that are not game/practice related. He will coach in a great building. He will sign some great star student-athletes and some some great role player student-athletes. They will all work hard on court, in practice, in weight room and in classroom. We will win some games at start. We will win more soon after. We will win a bunch slightly later and play for MAC title in tourney.

I think that last paragraph will happen. The one key is hiring the right great coach. When that happens (which it will), the rest will follow in my opinion.

I see nothing to stop it over the course of a few seasons when the right person is hired.

Go Falcons!

[BGSU33]

Listen to the presser tonight? Kudos to Wagner for asking the question about his job. Lou knows it is about over.

I am 100% convinced now Orr doesn't have a damn clue what the hell he is doing or what is going on! The presser today was the icing on the cake. After that pitiful performance, Orr starts off by praising our defense. News flash! NIU was nearly as bad as we were shooting and taking care of the ball Louis! He then simply said about our offense (or lack thereof) needs to “plain and simple get better” and that he’ll “make adjustments.” Adjustments Louis??? Just what adjustments might those be??? Have you been telling guys not to make any shots and now you’ll let them know they can? Unbelievable. But wait, it gets better. Near the end he gets asked about his job – and FLASHBACK to the end of last year – he goes into his God answers. God this, God that, etc. Makes me sick, he can’t even man the hell up and be accountable for himself, he goes straight into God, God, God. I wonder if someone smacked him upside the head with a bible if it would knock some damn sense into his head??? What a damn joke.

This man is an utter fool concerning his role with this team and at this point he is only kidding himself with this nonsense. It’s no damn wonder we see and have seen the type of product we have for seven years under him. How could we expect different results from our team and players with the blind leading the blind like this?

Watch for yourself: http://www.bgsufalcons.com/news/2014/1/ ... 40043.aspx

[guest44]

I should have stopped going years ago. Not just this year. Probably would have if it weren't for a new arena. It's not the past yet. He is still here. Why? Why does Bowling Green have to be nice to Louis Orr? Because he is a "good man"? Can BG really not come up with the money to just remove him to avoid embarrassment like yesterday? Yesterday was an embarrassment. An embarrassment to Orr as a coach, and an embarrassment to anyone who played in this program.

[commonsense]

While there are many things to critique about the men's program right now, in my opinion recruiting is the number 1 problem. We have Richaun Holmes who can play effectively at the D1 level. Maybe Denny at some point as well, we will see. I would include Chauncey, but he is injured and has not been at the gym the past three games. The rest of the team might look like players on there twitter account pictures, but the D1 level is over their head. Our guards can not shoot even close to a respectable percentage from three, two, or even a free throw. Our bigs just can't score plain and simple. There is a reason most of these guys had 1 Schollarship offer (BG) Kent wanted no parts of hometown Cam Black, Toledo wanted no parts of A. Henderson. Akron wanted no parts of J. Clarke and Desmond F-ing Rorie.

[guest44]

I agree the recruiting is plain bad and done with no plan. Can you imagine this roster if Rorie doesn't flunk out? If you are that big, and can't score 8 ppg in high school, you will be pretty much worthless in college regardless of how long your arms are. Yet, Lou wants 4 of those guys. What happened to Orr's connections in Cincinnati? Coach Jackson left and exposed Louis Orr for what he is really is. A poor D1 basketball coach, a poor recruiter, and an awful communicator. Holmes, the best talent he has recruited, plays a reserve role and doesn't start last year on a bad team. What can you say? Be good or be interesting.

[commonsense]

Speaking of connections to Cincy, let's really look what we did down there. We took Adrian Graves as a transfer from Xavier who flunked out. We then took Danny McElroy who couldn't stop failing drug tests. We stole Jordan Crawford who committed to D2 Ashland in a fierce recruiting battle. We brought in Gerret Mayleben to red shirt in a year when you have a roster so thin you bring in a football player who was only decent as a high school basketball player. Stand proud boys!

[guest44]

Very good point. Don't forget about Craig Sealey, Erger's backup. The recruiting has been worse than even I realized. So sad, that we don't even fill the scholarships and just hand out sweatsuits at the REC.

[commonsense]

Sealy was a Columbus guy. Brookhaven High School. Another guy who has the size and speed, but skill and an overall basketball sense is lacking. The D1 level is over his head for him to play well consistently. That is why a guy with his body and athleticism isn't recruited very heavy.

[Warthog]

For those who haven't seen it, here is the the quote from the Blade when Orr was asked about his job:

"When asked after the contest if he was concerned about keeping his job as BG’s coach, Orr said, “I have one year left on my contract. I know [God] is my provider, and has provided for me for 55 years. …

“I hate losing, and we’re not playing well offensively. We have 16 more games to go, and if the Good Lord allows me to be here and coach … that’s what I’m going to do.”

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2014/01 ... 7x2yjeF.99"

Orr just doesn't seem to have the fire and passion that is needed in a coach. I respect his beliefs, but I think a coach has to provide more for himself and his team instead of just turnign it all over to God.

[BleedOrange]

This debilitating god cop-out, I just can't get enough of it. "God" is Orr's way for not facing responsibility. "God" is what allows Orr to embrace mediocrity and project meaning into simple failure.

Well, god will not save Orr's job, and that may be the first time god does anything for the BG basketball program.

We have two more months of Orr, people. In the meantime, all we can do is laugh....and hope that the six players that we have on our roster return to the program next year.

[hammb]

This debilitating god cop-out, I just can't get enough of it. "God" is Orr's way for not facing responsibility. "God" is what allows Orr to embrace mediocrity and project meaning into simple failure.

Well, god will not save Orr's job, and that may be the first time god does anything for the BG basketball program.

We have two more months of Orr, people. In the meantime, all we can do is laugh....and hope that the six players that we have on our roster return to the program next year.

I try not to let my own cynical views on religion/god get wrapped up in my opinion of Orr, but it's real tough not to. The man clearly has no passion for the job, and you cannot coach at the D1 level without passion. It was absolutely ridiculous that he didn't get canned 2 years ago when he had a senior heavy team with his own guys and still crapped the bed. Then last year was just as brutal, but the turnover at the AD position made for a convenient excuse to be stuck with him again. Now we have to suffer through this death knell of a season. I don't care if Coach Orr is the 2nd coming of Mother Teresa and Ghandi, he cannot coach basketball to save his life. Maybe his beloved God needs to speak to him in a dream or something and tell him what he should be doing because as a basketball coach, he's fu**ing terrible.

As for the six players we have? There is only 1 player on this team that is worth a damned in Division 1 basketball and that's Holmes. Other than him I wouldn't cry a tear if the entire damn roster transfers out after Orr is canned. We have a whole lot of guys who LOOK like basketball players, and VERY few that actually know the first thing about playing the sport. It's sad and pathetic at the same time. I've been to the point where "all I can do is laugh" for the last 10 years. I've laughed hysterically at the crapfest we've put on the court over that time...unfortunately I cannot even really see the humor in it anymore. I go to the games as something to do in the winter doldrums. I won't cancel any plans or make plans around basketball games anymore, and that's sad, because I used to LOVE BG Hoops.

I hope to god that the new coach gets at least one top level recruit next year and can at least make us exciting to watch next year. The nature of Hoops recruiting though really kills us for next year as well. All of the good talent will sign during the early signing period and by the time we get a real coach here who actually knows what a D1 player looks like he'll be forced to fill his schollies with 2nd and 3rd tier players.

Ugh...BG hoops...

[BGSUFanatic7]

While there are many things to critique about the men's program right now, in my opinion recruiting is the number 1 problem. We have Richaun Holmes who can play effectively at the D1 level. Maybe Denny at some point as well, we will see. I would include Chauncey, but he is injured and has not been at the gym the past three games. The rest of the team might look like players on there twitter account pictures, but the D1 level is over their head. Our guards can not shoot even close to a respectable percentage from three, two, or even a free throw. Our bigs just can't score plain and simple. There is a reason most of these guys had 1 Schollarship offer (BG) Kent wanted no parts of hometown Cam Black, Toledo wanted no parts of A. Henderson. Akron wanted no parts of J. Clarke and Desmond F-ing Rorie.

I would actually say the developing of the talent is the much larger issue. And for what it is worth, Toledo did offer Henderson as did three other MAC schools and Akron did offer Clarke as did Kent State and UT.

[commonsense]

While there are many things to critique about the men's program right now, in my opinion recruiting is the number 1 problem. We have Richaun Holmes who can play effectively at the D1 level. Maybe Denny at some point as well, we will see. I would include Chauncey, but he is injured and has not been at the gym the past three games. The rest of the team might look like players on there twitter account pictures, but the D1 level is over their head. Our guards can not shoot even close to a respectable percentage from three, two, or even a free throw. Our bigs just can't score plain and simple. There is a reason most of these guys had 1 Schollarship offer (BG) Kent wanted no parts of hometown Cam Black, Toledo wanted no parts of A. Henderson. Akron wanted no parts of J. Clarke and Desmond F-ing Rorie.

I would actually say the developing of the talent is the much larger issue. And for what it is worth, Toledo did offer Henderson as did three other MAC schools and Akron did offer Clarke as did Kent State and UT.

I stand corrected, and thank you for pointing out where I was wrong. I will disagree with you on the talent development part though. If you have guards shooting under 35% from the field in mid January, you have no talent to develop. You just recruited poorly.