Kingston, please do something now!

[FalconTurf]

I think this was a done deal over a year ago but there is little that was going to be done about it. I don't like the idea of giving up on this team but this weekend's play certainly left little hope. In my mind I will support those who play for us. Some may not be at the level needed to compete now but might be in the future. Regardless of whether they have the necessary talent as long as they play hard (maybe not well) and represent my alma mater well I will support them. I hope that in the near future I can be proud of the same kind of quality young men that are put in position to win.

As for the boosters stepping up I would suggest that providing funding for scholarships and buildings is the job of the boosters not hiring and firing coaches. All evaluation of coaches should be put in the hands of the AD and evaluation of the AD put in the hands of the president and evaluation of the president to the board of trustees. For those looking to blame someone follow the chain of command and blame one, two or all three of those steps. I can't blame Coach Orr for not quitting. If those evaluating him continue to pay him then he is going to continue showing up for work.

[Flipper]

Years ago I met a UT cheerleader that worked at Platinum Showgirls. Could have done a shot off her if I would have been willing to pay $20 for a shot of what basically amounts to kool-aid with a drop of alcohol in it.

Is that the blonde that wound up wrestling for the WWF?

[falconfan1]

BGorDeath, thank you. Appreciate your thoughtfulness. It amazes me that I am reading criticism of folks who gave significant funds to help BG athletics/Stroh Center/bball etc. I cannot believe what I am reading. Ridiculous. So, crazy fan, relax. When a new coach arrives, just help us win. That's what folks who gave some money above will do. Trust me. And falconfanatic, you are exactly right; I posted very similar stuff re hockey a few years ago and we now have a program everyone can be proud of, drawing fans, drawing students, winning games, staying in literally nearly every single we actually lose or tie, graduating our players, doing so in an improved arena and moving up in the standings. With a charismatic coach who talks straight.

Yep, gonna happen again. It will. Except in bball, you have a new facility and a sport where you can turn it around in two years not four as in hockey. Not fully in two perhaps but in a very meaningful way. Gonna happen. No reason there for it not to happen. None. Get the right guy. We will.

Go Falcons!

[CrazyFan]

BGorDeath, thank you. Appreciate your thoughtfulness. It amazes me that I am reading criticism of folks who gave significant funds to help BG athletics/Stroh Center/bball etc. I cannot believe what I am reading. Ridiculous. So, crazy fan, relax.

I am by no means trying to criticize the alumni whom give to this program, especially the ones who significantly contribute. What they do for this program is something that I cannot at this point in my life, so i would never look down upon and criticize that. They are the backbone for the future progress of this program. What I am saying is that the notion of alumni getting together to help fund the "buyout" of a coach is very common in collegiate athletics. Am I demanding it? No, because its not my money. But if it happens at a bunch of other D1 programs, why can't it happen here? I mean this program is an absolute train wreck. What I can't understand is millions upon millions upon millions have been invested into this program by the wealthy alumni. So what's another couple 100k to get rid of this cancer that has absolutely destroyed this once respectable program? It's all business at the end of the day, so why not protect your investment. In a major company, would the board of trustees allow their president to perform poorly day after day after day, losing the company who knows what amount of money, and keep him until his contract is up? Or would they fire him, cut their losses and move on? I think we all know the answer to that question. So why is Orr still allowed to spit on this program day after day after day? So, in my view, if the university cannot fund the buyout then the alumni should protect their investment and help with the buyout. And Hammb is correct, that call should come from the AD, but the alumni should be prepared to answer their phone. And if the call doesnt come from the AD, they should be calling him strongly voicing their displeasure. BG basketball is one of the worst programs in Division 1. Why did we let it get this far?

[guest44]

It got this far because Greg Fundraiser gave out a horrible contract extension, and BG would rather watch itself hit rock bottom than fire Louis Orr. The interesting part will be how different the dialogue will be when Orr leaves compared to Dakich. The compliments of Orr the person will flow on in, as a weird form of sympathy for a guy paid very well to under perform in 6 of 7 seasons as coach. Why?

[Matty B]

Trust me I hate watching this brand of basketball as much as the next guy, but what's the benefit of firing the coach RIGHT NOW? I highly doubt any of the assistants are serious coaching candidates worthy of the interim tag. If anything, the quick trigger may DISCOURAGE future coaching candidates and even recruits (See: Cleveland Browns). We all KNOW what's going to happen in two months, Nothing will improve this year regardless. Firing Orr and replacing him with someone on his staff won't do any good for the next two months, nor is the program getting any worse by keeping him for two months. I fully believe the process of scouting new candidates has begun, so no use looking for instant gratification. Trust the process.

[commonsense]

It got this far because Greg Fundraiser gave out a horrible contract extension, and BG would rather watch itself hit rock bottom than fire Louis Orr. The interesting part will be how different the dialogue will be when Orr leaves compared to Dakich. The compliments of Orr the person will flow on in, as a weird form of sympathy for a guy paid very well to under perform in 6 of 7 seasons as coach. Why?

Because Dan Dakich was a total a**hole while he was the coach and Louis Orr was not, bottom line. It has nothing to do with the success or lack there of between both coaches in the situation you brought up with the dialogue that will take place. Generally in life if someone treats people well, they receive the same back, even if they under perform at their job.

[HoopsFan]

Yeppers. Everyone says Louis Orr is a great man. Dan Dakich, not so much. I'm not sure that either one of them was a good coach. Dakich played the motionless offense and Orr has no offense. John Weinert cioached to the talent he was given and the players he recruited. Larranaga just went out and got good players.

So, we're preaching to the choir here, but it's a two year path to a more competitive team unless the new coach goes the JUCO route. We all agree that it should have started THIS year instead of next, but the BG way is to let a coach finish out a contract, unless you happen to be Dee Knoblauh (sp I have to look it up each time and I don't have time to now).

HoopsFan

[footballguy51]

Trust me I hate watching this brand of basketball as much as the next guy, but what's the benefit of firing the coach RIGHT NOW? I highly doubt any of the assistants are serious coaching candidates worthy of the interim tag. If anything, the quick trigger may DISCOURAGE future coaching candidates and even recruits (See: Cleveland Browns). We all KNOW what's going to happen in two months, Nothing will improve this year regardless. Firing Orr and replacing him with someone on his staff won't do any good for the next two months, nor is the program getting any worse by keeping him for two months. I fully believe the process of scouting new candidates has begun, so no use looking for instant gratification. Trust the process.

I'm not sure if it's against NCAA rules or if it's even legal, but it certainly would be unethical to start searching for a new coach while the current coach is in place.

[FalconTurf]

Trust me I hate watching this brand of basketball as much as the next guy, but what's the benefit of firing the coach RIGHT NOW? I highly doubt any of the assistants are serious coaching candidates worthy of the interim tag. If anything, the quick trigger may DISCOURAGE future coaching candidates and even recruits (See: Cleveland Browns). We all KNOW what's going to happen in two months, Nothing will improve this year regardless. Firing Orr and replacing him with someone on his staff won't do any good for the next two months, nor is the program getting any worse by keeping him for two months. I fully believe the process of scouting new candidates has begun, so no use looking for instant gratification. Trust the process.

I'm not sure if it's against NCAA rules or if it's even legal, but it certainly would be unethical to start searching for a new coach while the current coach is in place.

Not unethical to compile a list and scout candidates at appropriate times without ever contacting them or mentioning the job is open. That's how Clawson ended up on the short list. You can assume that the current coach may resign or take a new position for every team we have a BG and the athletic department must be prepared to replace them at the end of their season. Not unethical to me.

[Flipper]

We don't have a coach for next season...I see nothing wrong with looking for one now. If that offends coach Orr that's a shame, but he opened himself up for that kind of embarrassment when he decided to come back as lame duck coach

[HoopsFan]

Or, to put it another way, I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED that there's gambling going on at Rick's Cafe American

Yeah, Louie Orr is ending his contract and it won't be renewed. Some shock there, huh?

HoopsFan

[hammb]

There is nothing unethical at ALL about talking to coaches' agents while we have an opening. As of the last day of this season we will have an opening.

The only question is how much the candidates would want to talk about the potential job while they're currently in the midst of their seasons wherever they may be.

[footballguy51]

I guess I'm referring to the ethical point of talking to candidates while the position is currently filled. Unless they tell Orr he's not the coach next season, or they tell him he will have to interview against other candidates to be the coach next season, I think it's a little inappropriate to openly talk to and/or interview other coaches.

I look at this from how I would feel if, in my current position, I heard that they started talking to people about taking my position. Nobody formally told me I wouldn't be here next year, and I haven't even been told for sure that if my position was open next year I wouldn't have the opportunity to interview for it. So, it's as if they would be telling me I'm fired without the guts to actually tell me that.

Now, perhaps I'm wrong in this thinking, but I can see the value of just firing him now and then starting the search, rather than starting the search now and pretending Orr is okay with that.

[BleedOrange]

This thread rehashes a bunch of dead issues.

We've been stuck with Orr til the end of this season due to university-wide fiscal constraints that prevent a buy-out. For now, all we can hope for is that the underclassmen improve as players during the season.

Everybody who is paying attention knows that Orr is gone at season's end, including Orr. Formal statements are unnecessary. Pragmatically, Kingston should be doing everything within the confines of NCAA regulations to get the next coach.

All this has been true for a long time, so let's stop spazzing off, accept reality, and find other things in life to bring joy.