BG coaches no longer welcome at Erie prep

[Flipper]

Are you for real? You know NOTHING about this situation except for what a coach in PA with an axe to grind has to say, but you're going to offer relationship building and roster management criticism to a guy who's been here roughly a month? Like he's supposed to set aside hiring a staff, meeting his players, evaluating players, recruiting kids they're interested in to cater to some guy in PA?

[Globetrotter]

Are you for real? You know NOTHING about this situation except for what a coach in PA with an axe to grind has to say, but you're going to offer relationship building and roster management criticism to a guy who's been here roughly a month? Like he's supposed to set aside hiring a staff, meeting his players, evaluating players, recruiting kids they're interested in to cater to some guy in PA?

How long would it take to clear up that situation? The article was run by one of the two major papers that follow your program by one of the 2 guys whose job it was to do so. You bet I am taking 15 minutes to clear up the conversation with the journalist and then calling that coach.

[Flipper]

Again...you don't know anything about this. You don't know who Babers has or hasn't talked to...you don't know anything about the situation with this kid and the old or new coaching staff here. You're taking a five paragraph story that quotes the hometown HS coach and offers zero in the way of documentation or specific detail. You're just off and running trying to find some justification for criticizing Babers.

I honestly do not know what the hell your problem is....

[Schadenfreude]

I look forward to hearing what the staff has to say later this week.

[Globetrotter]

I look forward to hearing what the staff has to say later this week.

Me too.

[Globetrotter]

Again...you don't know anything about this. You don't know who Babers has or hasn't talked to...you don't know anything about the situation with this kid and the old or new coaching staff here. You're taking a five paragraph story that quotes the hometown HS coach and offers zero in the way of documentation or specific detail. You're just off and running trying to find some justification for criticizing Babers.

I honestly do not know what the hell your problem is....

I think that you are not following things logically and then your getting weird about something you don't understand. I don't think I am the one with the problem here.

We know a lot of things.
1. Carney recruited him and did so fairly aggressively with several visits in a row
2. The kid committed to BG (with or without an offer) and it was published in his local news outlet and picked up by several of the recruiting databases
3. When a new coach came a long the kid was not on the list of confirmed recruits (for whatever reason)
4. The paper that covers you, one of the 3 big ones that people actually read, wrote an article that made BG look very negative
5. The kids coach is not pleased

Even if it isn't Babers fault I think it's his responsibility to try to clear things up and keep BG looking good. The article happened. The bad situation happened. A phone call and a conversation can do that. I assume that is what will happen.

[falconfan1]

He never was offered by Coach Clawson. The head man offers in writing in his system. Period. He can't produce the offer in Erie because it does not exist. Therefore he was not offered.

Coach Babers has no responsibility to make public any contact he or his NW PA recruiting coach make - if any- concerning the matter. No responsibility to be public whatsoever. And I would not. I would keep it completely confidential if any contact was made. There is no benefit for BG oe Erie to do that. If you do it, do it man to man.

Both Clawson and Coach Babers are, in my opinion, exceptionally responsible in the area of recruiting based on five years of Clawson and first few weeks of Coach Babers. For example, I am told Clawson told every single student-athlete directly to ask -at any point- where he stands w him/the staff re recruiting. If they are uncertain, ask. And they are notified of a formal offer in writing. Without it, you are not offered. Not sure how much clearer Clawson could be. Very very direct guy.

Coach Babers may have a different personality, but I think, based on all we know so far, he will be just what we need: a very able leader and a skilled top recruiter. And a very ethical one.

Go Falcons!

[Globetrotter]

He never was offered by Coach Clawson. The head man offers in writing in his system. Period. He can't produce the offer in Erie because it does not exist. Therefore he was not offered.

Coach Babers has no responsibility to make public any contact he or his NW PA recruiting coach make - if any- concerning the matter. No responsibility to be public whatsoever. And I would not. I would keep it completely confidential if any contact was made. There is no benefit for BG oe Erie to do that. If you do it, do it man to man.

Both Clawson and Coach Babers are, in my opinion, exceptionally responsible in the area of recruiting based on five years of Clawson and first few weeks of Coach Babers. For example, I am told Clawson told every single student-athlete directly to ask -at any point- where he stands w him/the staff re recruiting. If they are uncertain, ask. And they are notified of a formal offer in writing. Without it, you are not offered. Not sure how much clearer Clawson could be. Very very direct guy.

Coach Babers may have a different personality, but I think, based on all we know so far, he will be just what we need: a very able leader and a skilled top recruiter. And a very ethical one.

Go Falcons!

Yet Carney was obviously recruiting this guy, he thought he had an offer, the offer was reported in the news and on websites that the coaches certainly are aware of and the lack of a legitimate offer was never cleared up?

[Flipper]

Globe.... You called Babers "arrogant", yet here you are full of presumptions , judgments and assumptions based on nothing more than the "say so" of some guy in Erie PA that you've never even met. If that isn't arrogance epitomized I don't know what is. How the hell do you know how "aggressively" this kid was recruited. You don't know jack about this situation...you don't know what conversations anyone be it Babers, Carney or Clawson had with this kid or his coach but you insist on prattling on about it like you were a fly on the wall.

[Globetrotter]

Globe.... You called Babers "arrogant", yet here you are full of presumptions , judgments and assumptions based on nothing more than the "say so" of some guy in Erie PA that you've never even met. If that isn't arrogance epitomized I don't know what is. How the hell do you know how "aggressively" this kid was recruited. You don't know jack about this situation...you don't know what conversations anyone be it Babers, Carney or Clawson had with this kid or his coach but you insist on prattling on about it like you were a fly on the wall.

I said his take on the offense and the quote that was reported seemed arrogant. Not this scenario. I stated all of the facts. No presumptions on my end. I listed facts in bulleted order. Do you know what presumptions means? I am not prattling on about it I am responding to your asinine take on the situation.

[Dayons_Den]

Having committed and having an offer carries as much weight as Green Bay Packers stock certificates. There is no such thing until signing day when you are putting your name on an official scholarship offer. Websites in June and article quotes in the fall mean about as much as when I would routinely "declare for the NBA draft" each spring in college.

I'm sorry the kid's feelings were hurt and the coach got upset. Really, that does suck to think you have something to find out you don't; but it is a lot more grey than they give it credit for. There was nothing malicious or detrimental to the kid's development here. He was presuming he had an offer when what he had was interest. There is nobody to blame but the recruiting game itself. Nobody needs to apologize. Everyone needs to realize this is part of recruiting and even more so when there is coaching change.

[mscarn]

It's fairly clear that the only point of contention (if any) at this point is communication, primarily from the previous staff. Nothing in writing means no offer. No offer means there was nothing to deny someone of in the first place.

The problem now is that the casual observer of the situation is either operating on the false premise promulgated by the stories or is confused and dismisses the whole situation as a pox on both houses. Both are a supreme disservice to the program and the individuals involved who did nothing wrong yet find themselves caught up in this tsunami of untruth.

[Globetrotter]

It's fairly clear that the only point of contention (if any) at this point is communication, primarily from the previous staff. Nothing in writing means no offer. No offer means there was nothing to deny someone of in the first place.

The problem now is that the casual observer of the situation is either operating on the false premise promulgated by the stories or is confused and dismisses the whole situation as a pox on both houses. Both are a supreme disservice to the program and the individuals involved who did nothing wrong yet find themselves caught up in this tsunami of untruth.

There is an assumption here that there was nothing in writing. I agree with that assumption but you are stating it as fact and it's not yet known if that's a fact. Your second paragraph gets at the meat of this entire issue. It doesn't matter if there was an offer or not. Their was a kid who thought he had one and an article that makes the program look bad about the situation with the kid. It's the CEO of the programs responsibility to try to make sure the PR for the program looks good. It doesn't matter that it wasn't his fault.

[Flipper]

and it's a fact that you don't know if those attempts have been made or not.

[Flipper]

And my "let's not make any judgments here until both sides have spoken" stance on this is asinine?