Let the whining begin....

[HoopsFan]

So we get people to tell us how "good" a man Louie is. Yeah, it's a shame he has to lose his job, but shouldn't the BGSU men's team be going in a different direction, like UP?

http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/3/9/5489 ... head-coach" target="_blank

HoopsFan

[guest44]

That article sums up exactly why the mindset of BGSU athletics needs to change. It's so bad it should be removed from the internet. Orr does nothing, says nothing, and promotes nothing. Quit mistaking no interest and no information for squeaky clean. If it's a unorganized mess on the bench, it's a trainwreck off the court too. Just like we don't know about certain players injuries, we don't know why 4 players were suspended for practice including one for drugs. None of those players missed a game. As far as whether Kingston can find a better coach than Orr? Hell he could probably find several this week coaching in the Stroh. Today is the day most of us have been waiting for. 7 years of nothing finally ends.

[Flipper]

His 944 multi-year APR is the lowest of all the sports at BGSU and it's the 4th lowest in the conference. So..it's not like he's recruited a bunch of geniuses that put studying ahead of basketball.

[hammb]

I'd like to take whoever that fan is and give him one of my season tickets. Then force him to sit with me game after game as we watch the shitfest that is Louis Orr coached basketball.

Beyond that, I'm sorry but how is Louis Orr an "Ambassador" for the university? The man does nothing to promote the program in any way. He's not giving interviews on the radio or in the papers. He doesn't do a postgame interview. I suppose he probably does the radio talk show (if it still exists) because he'd be contractually obligated to, but he sure as hell doesn't go out of his way to help promote the program and build a relationship between the community and the program. And when he DOES give interviews every other sentence is god this or god that, and I'm fine with a guy being proud of his faith but after awhile it starts to rub people the wrong way when you're throwing it in their face at every turn.

As has been pointed out on here several times we've had players suspended and a few run ins with the law. It's not an epidemic by any means, but it's not as though the team is full of boyscouts. And as Flip pointed out, academically they certainly haven't been any better than they have been on the court.

The Bottom line is I don't give a crap what sort of man Louis Orr is. Kudos for being a good guy. I'm a pretty good guy too. I've met a lot of posters on this board and I think most all of them are pretty good guys. That alone is not a qualification for Division 1 Men's basketball coach. I'm to the point where I really don't care if he cured cancer while negotiating peace in the middle east...I want the man GONE as men's basketball coach. He needed to be gone 2 years ago, without a doubt overstayed his welcome last year, and this year was just a joke.

[guest44]

The best part of the article is saying that Orr has over-achieved. Orr has stunk. Stunk at every part of what he is paid to do. Hey Mr. Daley, raise your standards.

[bg1984]

Tonight we will be delivered and nobody should shed a tear. I certainly do not take pleasure in someone losing his job, but it's impossible to feel sorry for someone who seemingly did NOTHING to change this course of action. Here is the headline from last April's Toledo Blade Article on Orr's final season on his contract:

"BGSU men's basketball coach Orr says he won’t change in final year of contract"

http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2013/04 ... tract.html" target="_blank

This was a man coming off a season in which BG posted a 13-19 record, the team’s third losing record in the past four years. The Falcons posted a 7-9 record in Mid-American Conference play. They earned a first-round home game in the league tournament, but were upset by Miami.

And at the conclusion of that season the head coach proclaims proudly "I won't change in my final year of my contract."

In what profession is it acceptable for an employee to be consistently average or below average and yet defiantly unwilling to change what he or she does? Take everything else that bothers us about his coaching out of the mix and THIS alone is enough to warrant his firing.

This by no means suggests that Orr needed to change his core values and beliefs, but when what you are doing on a daily basis clearly is not working then a new game plan must be made or you will suffer the consequences.

Unfortunately in athletics others must suffer the consequences too: the players and the fans.

The real world is an ever evolving environment that requires all of us to adapt and change and perhaps alter what we do and how we do it. Apparently in Orr's world this dynamic thinking is not part of his plan.

So be it!

What happens to an employee with this mindset? He's fired and replaced with someone who is more forward thinking and willing to adapt to changing circumstances.

So anyone who might be tempted to feel sorry for Orr should remember what he said last April: "I won't change in the final year of my contract."

H.G. Wells said it best:

"Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative."

You often get what you ask for in this world Louis Orr!

[MarkL]

All around good read. I have a tendency to think Kingston has already made up his mind or else he wouldn't have let a coach go a season without a future year on contract. It is difficult to recruit when the coach doesn't have the contract to back his claim that he will be the coach during all of the recruit's collegiate career.

[HoopsFan]

We could all recite the litany of Louie's failure as a coach, but it would be preaching to the choir.

To believe it's a secret that Orr's contract will not be renewed is the worst kept secret in the MAC. Not for publication, but the ticket office suggested that Orr's contract would not be renewed so how about we give you a discount on this years tickets. I suppose he could have saved his job, with some stellar coaching, but it was pretty much doomed from the time Chauncey went down. Sure, the guys played their hearts out, but a 7-man rotation can't ever work and I don't think the coach really had a desire to win. After all, he was a dead man walking.

I guess in the end we all win. He wins because he didn't alter his coaching philosophy and we win because we get to see him walk out the door. It's a lesson to any AD who wants to reward a coach; give him money but don't extend a contract.

HoopsFan

[Globetrotter]

I wonder how much a wasted year of a revenue sport costs a school? Such a horribly mismanaged program this year.

[CrazyFan]

I wonder how much a wasted year of a revenue sport costs a school? Such a horribly mismanaged program this year.

That’s what gets me. How irresponsible and short sighted of a decision it was to let Orr remain as coach of this program because we couldn’t afford to buy him out. But what about the hundreds or thousands of dollars lost in revenue from ticket sales, merchandise sales, concessions, parking, etc. Not to mention the dwindling interest in this program every year. These decision makers, like the university president, are supposed to be very bright people, yet they fail to look at the all around big picture when making a decisions like this. And I understand that some people are going to say the all around big picture is academics; and to a degree your right. We are a university. But if that’s the case, then s**t can the basketball program and let the students focus on their academics. If you don’t care about the program, then get rid of it. And this university sent a STRONG message when they didn’t let Orr go last year or the year before that they do not care about this program.

As far as Mrs. Orr posting of that sweet article above; kudos to you for thinking and believing that. I got some prime land in Alaska I would like to sell you. Value of the land is supposed to skyrocket in the next year!!

This is a joyous day because this is the last day that the program killer I allowed to keep his fraud hands on this program and this is the last day he will steal money from this university. If any of us routinely underperform at our jobs, we would be fired. The program killer got to keep his job and take no responsibility for his job at the same time. I’m jealous! To God Be a 20 loss season and 120 losses in 7 years at the helm!! See ya Louie! Ya Thief!!

[Falcon137]

You don't want an AD you know is leaving making long term decisions and you don't want the incoming AD stuck with someone he didn't pick or necessarily want.

[Globetrotter]

You don't want an AD you know is leaving making long term decisions and you don't want the incoming AD stuck with someone he didn't pick or necessarily want.

Let the AD pick his own when he shows up. Problem solved. It's unorthodox timing but not unheard of.

[Falcon137]

You don't want an AD you know is leaving making long term decisions and you don't want the incoming AD stuck with someone he didn't pick or necessarily want.

Let the AD pick his own when he shows up. Problem solved. It's unorthodox timing but not unheard of.

So who is firing Orr, Dr. Mazey? I just think bringing a coach in at the end of June does as much harm to the program as letting Orr stick around. There was no right answer.

[guest44]

Had we known Orr wouldn't recruit anymore players for the next season why not? I take not filling scholarships in a contract year as basically giving up. So yes, just send him packing.

[Lord_Byron]

. . . . Then force him to sit with me game after game . . .

A punishment heretofore only experienced by your bride-to-be.

Sorry, Hammb. I must be working too hard, but I just thought that was one of the funniest things I read today.