Enough is Enough

[Flipper]

Yeah...those posts from hawk were kind of hard to decipher...

I think Brandon was emailing back and forth with people...although I wasn't really tuned in here at that point as the company my wife and I worked for at the time was going bankrupt (market crash...we landed on our feet, new one for me...I usually land on my head).

[Schadenfreude]

Today was an embarrassing day for Bowling Green football no matter how good Wisconsin is.

Yep. Saturday hurt. A lot.

I agree with others who believe the Falcons can win the East again, but holy cannoli was Saturday embarrassing.

No team has ever hung more than 68 points on the Falcons, and it has been 94 years since the last time that happened. Losing to Wisconsin is one thing -- we've done that before -- but to get crushed like that? To let Wisconsin score 68 points? We are the defending MAC champions! Heck, we only won four games in 2006, but we still managed to keep it a lot closer with the Badgers in Cleveland.

I think we can win the East, which looks weak, but I can't help but wonder if Babers and his staff have any earthly idea what they are doing on defense. This is surely the worst defense in school history. Last year it seemed to be a strength, with some of the same players.

That Indiana game might have been the most fun I ever had in Perry Stadium. To lose like this a week later is just awful.

[Globetrotter]

I think our biggest issue is having 8 starters injured. That is the difference between the Wisconsin's of the world and our team...we don't have the 2-3 players depth without a big drop off in talent at most positions. Most of our 1's can play with the Power conference schools...but when we have lost 2-4 kids every game so far that is tough to recover from. I am beginning to question our strength and conditioning program...I have never seen a team with this many injuries week after week?? I wonder who got banged up this week?
As far as Babers and the "bandwagon" goes....I would tell him to keep those thoughts to himself. You are a new coach (at this school) and to make a statement like that is ridiculous in my mind. Just coach and figure out a way to win. Everyone on here will be around a lot longer than he will be and to piss off the media and your fan base is not a smart move in my mind. A little LESS talk and a lot more WALK is what he needs to do. Stop worrying about being "cute" on videos...interviews etc. Keep your mouth shut and figure out a way to win...or at least don't look ridiculous in a loss.
BTW...I doubt VERY HIGHLY if he ever looks at this blog. Most coaches I know don't have time to sit around on the computer and read fan blogs. He was mainly addressing those remarks to the media who have had the gall to question his coaching decisions.

Love this post.

I am not sure it's strength and conditioning as much as he may have beat the crap out of his team in practice and then they were more easily hurt in games.

[hammb]

I think our biggest issue is having 8 starters injured. That is the difference between the Wisconsin's of the world and our team...we don't have the 2-3 players depth without a big drop off in talent at most positions. Most of our 1's can play with the Power conference schools...but when we have lost 2-4 kids every game so far that is tough to recover from. I am beginning to question our strength and conditioning program...I have never seen a team with this many injuries week after week?? I wonder who got banged up this week?
As far as Babers and the "bandwagon" goes....I would tell him to keep those thoughts to himself. You are a new coach (at this school) and to make a statement like that is ridiculous in my mind. Just coach and figure out a way to win. Everyone on here will be around a lot longer than he will be and to piss off the media and your fan base is not a smart move in my mind. A little LESS talk and a lot more WALK is what he needs to do. Stop worrying about being "cute" on videos...interviews etc. Keep your mouth shut and figure out a way to win...or at least don't look ridiculous in a loss.
BTW...I doubt VERY HIGHLY if he ever looks at this blog. Most coaches I know don't have time to sit around on the computer and read fan blogs. He was mainly addressing those remarks to the media who have had the gall to question his coaching decisions.

Love this post.

I am not sure it's strength and conditioning as much as he may have beat the crap out of his team in practice and then they were more easily hurt in games.

So he beat the crap out of his players in practice, getting them all too easily hurt in games?

But he also screwed the defense by not making tackling a priority, thus screwing the defense over in games?

Which is it? Because I can't imagine he had his players purposefully running into brick walls or something. Either they were going full contact all camp to get better and built injuries that way, or they weren't going full contact.

Or more likely, they were in pads the same amount as any other team, the tackling has been shitty because we have a lot of players who just aren't playing well right now, and we've lost a lot of guys to injury which you just cannot control.

I realize that we love our BG student athletes on these boards and we've always pushed things to blame coaches more than players, but it starts to get a bit ridiculous when we're blaming coaches for missed tackles and injuries. Sometimes a team is just snakebitten. It happens. It could be happening to us. I have full confidence in Dino to get his offense rolling, and hopefully get some things turned around on defense as well. He's not satan, and he's not some nobody coach that hasn't seen a football before.

[Redwingtom]

Boy...it's death by analysis around here. We were going to get killed by this Wisconsin team no matter what.

Wisconsin will be in the Big Ten title game barring a total collapse.

Move along. We'll be fine in the MAC.

[Flipper]

Globe..you're talking about strength and conditioning? Have you ever lifted a weight in your life?

[Globetrotter]

Globe..you're talking about strength and conditioning? Have you ever lifted a weight in your life?

Is this the equivalent to Bro do you even lift? That's about the lamest thing I have ever seen posted here to be honest.

If you are really asking for some odd reason, I have lifted my entire life but never put on bulk. I have run 5 marathons though and will soon run my sixth. When you are training for one you gradually work your way up to a certain amount of distance so that you avoid injury. And still almost everyone deals with some sort of injury.

I am not sure if Babers beat the crap out of his team. I do know that he adamant they go faster, faster, faster and if you take a body that isn't conditioned yet to go faster faster faster what will happen is it will wear down and be more prone to injury. Someone who is exhausted isn't able to role out of the way as easily, isn't able to jump out of the way fast enough, etc.

I know that we are seeing 2 things. A team trying to go faster faster faster and a bunch of injuries. That doesn't necessarily mean there is a causal relationship, but I think it's worth considering.

[Globetrotter]

I think our biggest issue is having 8 starters injured. That is the difference between the Wisconsin's of the world and our team...we don't have the 2-3 players depth without a big drop off in talent at most positions. Most of our 1's can play with the Power conference schools...but when we have lost 2-4 kids every game so far that is tough to recover from. I am beginning to question our strength and conditioning program...I have never seen a team with this many injuries week after week?? I wonder who got banged up this week?
As far as Babers and the "bandwagon" goes....I would tell him to keep those thoughts to himself. You are a new coach (at this school) and to make a statement like that is ridiculous in my mind. Just coach and figure out a way to win. Everyone on here will be around a lot longer than he will be and to piss off the media and your fan base is not a smart move in my mind. A little LESS talk and a lot more WALK is what he needs to do. Stop worrying about being "cute" on videos...interviews etc. Keep your mouth shut and figure out a way to win...or at least don't look ridiculous in a loss.
BTW...I doubt VERY HIGHLY if he ever looks at this blog. Most coaches I know don't have time to sit around on the computer and read fan blogs. He was mainly addressing those remarks to the media who have had the gall to question his coaching decisions.

Love this post.

I am not sure it's strength and conditioning as much as he may have beat the crap out of his team in practice and then they were more easily hurt in games.

So he beat the crap out of his players in practice, getting them all too easily hurt in games?

But he also screwed the defense by not making tackling a priority, thus screwing the defense over in games?

Which is it? Because I can't imagine he had his players purposefully running into brick walls or something. Either they were going full contact all camp to get better and built injuries that way, or they weren't going full contact.

Or more likely, they were in pads the same amount as any other team, the tackling has been shitty because we have a lot of players who just aren't playing well right now, and we've lost a lot of guys to injury which you just cannot control.

I realize that we love our BG student athletes on these boards and we've always pushed things to blame coaches more than players, but it starts to get a bit ridiculous when we're blaming coaches for missed tackles and injuries. Sometimes a team is just snakebitten. It happens. It could be happening to us. I have full confidence in Dino to get his offense rolling, and hopefully get some things turned around on defense as well. He's not satan, and he's not some nobody coach that hasn't seen a football before.

This is the worst defense in the country. It went from top 10 to the worst. That's on the coaches. Even if it's players, we have over 100 guys on the team. There has to be someone who can tackle and correctly take an angle to stop a guy.

[Flipper]

Relax Globe...it was a joke...hence the

Good job on the marathons...Ive covered that distance on skates, but never went above a 5k on foot.because I like the little bit of cartilage I have left.

When Nick Savant tried to get the tiles changed to negate the hurry up because "Its dangerous ", coaches who ran it did some research and didn't see a correlation between pace and injury.

[Flipper]

Auto correct changed Saban to Savant...I think that's hilarious.

[Rightupinthere]

A few observations for this thread, if you all permit me.

1) I'm not seeing a great deal of "I'm done with this program" so I'm rather confused as to some of the earlier comments questioning a person's 'fan hood'. I am the farthest thing from a band wagon fan but I don't have a great deal of optimism for this team to win the East. That's my prerogative and opinion but that should neither question nor discount my being an avid fan. If it does, you're just as myopic and fickle as some of those you taunt as not being good fans.

2) I question a great deal about this program being able to contend. The first is injuries which cannot be helped. Losing Johnson was substantial. We lose a key cog with him gone. I'm not saying the new pup cannot come in and improve over the weeks (I see great things for his future) but for now, we should see a few games where he is not sharp. This will lead to some inconsistency in the offensive game plan implementation. This is to be understood and accepted without surprise.
With the defense playing the way it is (and it is exceedingly bad) coupled with an unstable offense, we could very well see a bed shitting or two against a team we should - on paper - defeat. Now, I doubt it will be a bed shitting atop a roaring dumpster fire like we saw in Madison, but we may lose against Buffalo (we lost to EMU one Homecoming), Akron or even Ohio. There is a decent likelihood of going 1-2 against west teams. A reasonable scenario is we're 5-3 in MAC play and looking to other teams to help with our ability to win the East. With that said, 6-2 may be enough to win the east this year so it's not out of the realm of possibility to see BG in that spot.

3) I have orange and brown coursing (cursing?) through these veins and don't follow any other school or program and I follow zero professional sports (with the exception of minor league hockey or professionals who played for BG). I will always pull for and root for the programs, the players, and coaches wearing the burnt orange and seal brown. They are family and - regardless of their performance - will always get my support. Period. You can love family and still ask, "what the f*ck were you thinking?!"

4) I made a bunch of non-definitive statements above but it cannot be helped. I'm an insurance analyst; ergo, I never make definitive statements as to future results.

[Rightupinthere]

Auto correct changed Saban to Savant...I think that's hilarious.

[Globetrotter]

Relax Globe...it was a joke...hence the

Good job on the marathons...Ive covered that distance on skates, but never went above a 5k on foot.because I like the little bit of cartilage I have left.

When Nick Savant tried to get the tiles changed to negate the hurry up because "Its dangerous ", coaches who ran it did some research and didn't see a correlation between pace and injury.

no worries.





I am a strong believer in failing doesn't necessarily equal being a failure. I agree we can still win the MAC etc. etc. I am just very frustrated with the defense. I think it's been completely mishandled and the focus seems to be completely elsewhere.

[Flipper]

[bgdodgeball4]

I think some of the basis of the criticism falls back on the classic argument of what you want this team's ultimate goal to be. Some of the forum is happy with BG competing for MAC Championships year in and out and thats it. Others want this team to be Boise or better, where a MAC Championship is expected and we're competing for a BCS bowl/playoff spot.

If you're the former, let's be honest: getting blown out by Wisconsin really doesn't sting as much, because hey, we're 0-0 in the MAC East. So while it may be disheartening to an extent, that offense sure looks good! And we can still win the MAC!

I'm the opposite. I'm upset. I want this team to be Boise State. I want them to win 11 games every year and flirt with BCS bowls and the playoff. I'm a realistic person and I know we'll probably never get to that level. I've come to learn the differences between the haves and have-nots extend way beyond the football field. I know that as soon as a coach has any sort of success here, someone is going to pay him more and he's gone. That sucks and I'm in denial. But I could see the team headed in that direction with Clawson. I had hope. The MAC Championship game I watched last year was the peak of my BG fan experience. And what makes these losses painful is that we've regressed from last season, even with the added talent. Tell me this - with the same roster, could Clawson not have had this year's team winning 11 games? I'm pretty confident that Wisconsin doesn't put up 68 against us and I know for a fact that WKU does not blow us out.

THAT'S what is frustrating. I know he isn't coming back and that I might sound like a lonely dude whose girlfriend just broke up with him. I hoped Babers would come in and continue pushing the program in the right direction. Instead, our defense is now a sieve and I feel as though the team has taken 5 steps back. On top of that, I really don't like coach's demeanor - he comes off as arrogant and while that sells recruits, it doesn't win games (see Hoke, Brady). Further, you know as soon as coach shows any semblance of success (like, a MAC East Runner-Up trophy this year) he is bolting as fast as he can - so we're left with this mess for, oh, 3-4 more years.

I hope I'm wrong.