tiznow wrote:Gmartin- were you outraged like this when the guy that signs your paycheck was arrested for DUI and drug possession?
How is that even related, regardless of who you are talking about, what job it was, and the truth of the matter? We're talking about football players, in the spotlight, and representatives of BGSU, getting their names further into the spotlight by doing stupid things. I could see the relevance of your question if it was President Mazey that did these things.
Obviously it is not related, but if he is outraged by this and not donating to the football program bc of this, why can't I ask the question?
Unfortunately this has happened with Babers, Clawson, Brandon and so on. It seems random to pull support now.
Flipper wrote:Does that apply to NCAA basketball pools...dorm or apartment card games...bet you I can get that girl to go out with me...I'm gonna gamble on eating those Fricker's wings...does that apply to all those scenarios?
not seeing your 'satire', but the answers are "NO", "NO", "NO", and "NO".
on the other hand, student-athletes on scholarship are held to higher standards than "if it's not illegal, it's OK."
nothing good can come from athletes gambling in public for thousands of $$$, and it needs to be squashed. want to lose a lot of money in a casino? do it after you graduate, on your own dime.
Nonsense....these are college kids. They're as susceptible to the same temptatiions as anyone else...if you honestly think you're going to get them to lead these exempliary "Gil Thorp" lives while they're in school, you're dreaming.
You can't judge today by yesterday....yeah, I didn't gambe 4 days a week when I was in college. I also didn't have a casino 20 minutes away. I would have had to fly to Vegas and my work schedule didn't allow for that. Hell..even into the late 90's the closest casino was in Detroit or Windsor...that's over an hour away. So you really can't make that comparison. It's a legal activity...it may not be the best PR and overindulgence has serious consequnces...but there's no law against it. In and of itself...it's a harmless, innocous activity. Sorry if that offends anyone's moral sensibilities....
And as far as I'm concerned...they are gambling on their dime...and if you aren't prepared to make a list of all items that they can't buy when their on scholarship...and understand that other people will then want to make lists too...you're probably better off not trying to suggest what they shouldn't spend their money on.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
tiznow wrote:Gmartin- were you outraged like this when the guy that signs your paycheck was arrested for DUI and drug possession?
How is that even related, regardless of who you are talking about, what job it was, and the truth of the matter? We're talking about football players, in the spotlight, and representatives of BGSU, getting their names further into the spotlight by doing stupid things. I could see the relevance of your question if it was President Mazey that did these things.
Obviously it is not related, but if he is outraged by this and not donating to the football program bc of this, why can't I ask the question?
Unfortunately this has happened with Babers, Clawson, Brandon and so on. It seems random to pull support now.
Exactly...it's a fair question that speaks to the larger issue...where do you draw the line? You have a number of people expressing their sense of moral indignation over the idea that these guys are going to a casino. Fine...you want to tell them they can't do that while on scholarship...are you going to let them buy beer, cigs...any kind of "vice" with their own $$$? How in the hell are you going to jsutify one and not the other?
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
tiznow wrote:Gmartin- were you outraged like this when the guy that signs your paycheck was arrested for DUI and drug possession?
Actually I was very upset and offended. I still am. His punishment was a joke. And I expressed my opinion and let it be known. I would say over 2/3 of the management expressed their opinions but it was the league that handed down his punishment.
I am more so outraged because I did report this issue over 4 months ago and it wasn't addressed. Like I said in another thread I voiced my concern and remained silent for several months and only brought it up after our other player was arrested for selling weed. Then 3 days later Matt J pulls off this stupid prank and I brought it up again. Have no issues with gambling. I occasionally gamble at casino south of Indianapolis but student athletes while on scholarships, and especially during the season is alarming. Especially when they rush to the casino 30 minutes after practice is over. Nothing good can come from a student gambling. Someone could buy them lunch. NCAA Violation. Could get with the wrong people and look into sports betting. NCAA Violation. Want to gamble do it in the summer, after you graduate. You have to be 21, so basically a senior, you can't wait 6 more months!!
There's a myriad of activities that these guys can engage in that lead to larger issues...somebody can buy them lunch in BG...they can go online and bet on sports. "What if" is an endless activity....in my mind, the issue here is optics and optics alone.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
The prank more than the gambling is an issue to me. If Matt Johnson is dumb enough to involve the cops and then lie to the cops about a dumb ass prank, then he just may be dumb enough to take a free lunch or dinner after winning $3,000.
Go spend every cent you have at casinos, strip clubs, and buying alcohol and Marlboro reds, it's a free country. Just don't get charged or cited with a crime when someone is giving you a free education. Especially less than a week after you had a teammate charged with, drug dealing and resisting arrest. If someone wants to pull THEIR money for any reason it's their prerogative.
We're not talking about some 18 or 19 bright eyed freshman. He's a 22 year old red shirt junior. But as DIno says, "boys gone wild."
I'm sure we all care less if it's the walkon sophomore backup long snapper. But, when it's the leader of your team, it raises a few more eyebrows.
Flipper wrote:Does that apply to NCAA basketball pools...dorm or apartment card games...bet you I can get that girl to go out with me...I'm gonna gamble on eating those Fricker's wings...does that apply to all those scenarios?
not seeing your 'satire', but the answers are "NO", "NO", "NO", and "NO".
on the other hand, student-athletes on scholarship are held to higher standards than "if it's not illegal, it's OK."
nothing good can come from athletes gambling in public for thousands of $$$, and it needs to be squashed. want to lose a lot of money in a casino? do it after you graduate, on your own dime.
Nonsense....these are college kids. They're as susceptible to the same temptatiions as anyone else...if you honestly think you're going to get them to lead these exempliary "Gil Thorp" lives while they're in school, you're dreaming.
You can't judge today by yesterday....yeah, I didn't gambe 4 days a week when I was in college. I also didn't have a casino 20 minutes away. I would have had to fly to Vegas and my work schedule didn't allow for that. Hell..even into the late 90's the closest casino was in Detroit or Windsor...that's over an hour away. So you really can't make that comparison. It's a legal activity...it may not be the best PR and overindulgence has serious consequnces...but there's no law against it. In and of itself...it's a harmless, innocous activity. Sorry if that offends anyone's moral sensibilities....
And as far as I'm concerned...they are gambling on their dime...and if you aren't prepared to make a list of all items that they can't buy when their on scholarship...and understand that other people will then want to make lists too...you're probably better off not trying to suggest what they shouldn't spend their money on.
lol. bollocks, and more bollocks. wow, we have an apologist for lousy behavior from our student-athletes here folks.
what's next, not attending classes? wenching and doing shots the night before a big game? Making team events optional? all 'harmless activities' and none of it illegal, so it must be Okie-Dokie.
we have higher standards for student-athletes, and it needs to be enforced. "You will not be seen at casinos while on this team, at the risk of your team status." there, done.
***representing three generations of falcons--and counting***
Flipper wrote:Does that apply to NCAA basketball pools...dorm or apartment card games...bet you I can get that girl to go out with me...I'm gonna gamble on eating those Fricker's wings...does that apply to all those scenarios?
not seeing your 'satire', but the answers are "NO", "NO", "NO", and "NO".
on the other hand, student-athletes on scholarship are held to higher standards than "if it's not illegal, it's OK."
nothing good can come from athletes gambling in public for thousands of $$$, and it needs to be squashed. want to lose a lot of money in a casino? do it after you graduate, on your own dime.
Nonsense....these are college kids. They're as susceptible to the same temptatiions as anyone else...if you honestly think you're going to get them to lead these exempliary "Gil Thorp" lives while they're in school, you're dreaming.
You can't judge today by yesterday....yeah, I didn't gambe 4 days a week when I was in college. I also didn't have a casino 20 minutes away. I would have had to fly to Vegas and my work schedule didn't allow for that. Hell..even into the late 90's the closest casino was in Detroit or Windsor...that's over an hour away. So you really can't make that comparison. It's a legal activity...it may not be the best PR and overindulgence has serious consequnces...but there's no law against it. In and of itself...it's a harmless, innocous activity. Sorry if that offends anyone's moral sensibilities....
And as far as I'm concerned...they are gambling on their dime...and if you aren't prepared to make a list of all items that they can't buy when their on scholarship...and understand that other people will then want to make lists too...you're probably better off not trying to suggest what they shouldn't spend their money on.
lol. bollocks, and more bollocks. wow, we have an apologist for lousy behavior from our student-athletes here folks.
what's next, not attending classes? wenching and doing shots the night before a big game? Making team events optional? all 'harmless activities' and none of it illegal, so it must be Okie-Dokie.
we have higher standards for student-athletes, and it needs to be enforced. "You will not be seen at casinos while on this team, at the risk of your team status." there, done.
Yep. There's a lot wrong here, these guys are the few who are getting a complimentary education to play football and are instead representing the university in a terrible way by wearing their athletic clothing to the casino and then are pulling stupid pranks which now lets the cat out of the bag. I'm sure Johnson and Burbrink were bragging about their winnings, only fueling these guys to want to go more and hit it big, and I'm sure making the underclassmen eager to hit 21 to go do the same things. Must be great advertising for the university that student-athletes are hanging out on Miami St. on a regular basis. I wish when applying for student loans I could get an extra 4 or 5 grand that I can use to hit up the casino but that's not the way it works.
I've seen first hand what gambling can turn into for college-aged kids and its not fun. A lot of friends I made as a freshman were kicked out of school because they decided to spend all day playing poker in their dorms instead of going to class. I hope that now this has hit public light that the players will use better judgment since its obvious the coaches don't care.
I'm not an apologist for anything...I'm also not some pollyanna who thinks it's 1957 . How the f**k do you intend to enforce that "not be seen" rule? Are you going to post someone at the casino all the time because I doubt you'll be able to enforce that one with just an eyewitness account from some random person....and why are casinos different from bars? You can get into a hell of a lot more immediate trouble in a bar than a casino....are you going to ban those too?
I'm all for a calm, reasoned approach to team disipline...I think emotional, ill concieved, knee jerk reactions are dumb
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
the same way you enforce all team rules, of which there are many. that's what coaches get paid to do, enforce rules and standards.
unless they're pollyannas who throw their hands up in the air and moan, "gee, team standards are so hard to enforce. guess I'll just give up and let the police sort it all out."
***representing three generations of falcons--and counting***
poltergeist wrote:the same way you enforce all team rules, of which there are many. that's what coaches get paid to do, enforce rules and standards.
unless they're pollyannas who throw their hands up in the air and moan, "gee, team standards are so hard to enforce. guess I'll just give up and let the police sort it all out."
That's a really vague response...specifically how do you intend to enforce that particular rule? For example..."don't miss classes" is easy...you just check with the instructors to see if they're showing up. You could even have coaches randomly check in if you suspect a problem with a player. Or you could just be results oriented and check their grades. How would you do a casino? Patrol the place? and again...why differentiate between a casino and any other spot a college kid could get in trouble? You gonna be inconsistent in your approach or are you going to patrol the whole town? Just how much time, effort and energy do you want to spend playing nursemaid to a group of young adults?
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
