Recruiting 2015

[guest44]

It says the program is a mess. Is any program with 3 coaches in 3 years that hasn't won anything, not a mess? Clean out and start over.

[Falcon137]

I'm lost for words. 12ppg in the Northern Lakes League is not impressive at all. I think we should expect to get better recruits. We have a walk on from the same league who averaged almost 20.

Don't base things on PPG in HS, especially for big guys. Most high school players (and coaches for that matter) have no idea how to play with an actual big.

Stan Joplin is Springfield's coach right? Stan probably knows how to coach a big...

I like what I see on film from this kid though. He isn't an explosive athlete by the looks of him, but he is big and strong, and a true post.

I have no clue, I couldn't name 2 schools from that league. Is it producing a bunch of D1 players? I'm guessing he was a good big on a team full of players who had no idea how to play with him. Hence it being hard to gauge him in HS. It's easier at the AAU level.

Huber Heights Wayne, had players committing to major D1 programs who barely averaged 10 PPG. They had a player commit who didn't average 10 PPG.

[OptionQB]

I wish I could post directly from text messages I received three to four weeks ago. This is still not cause for concern for me.

Four weeks ago, a former UT player from home (NW Ohio) texted one of my small college ball buddies. He said something to the effect of "it's no wonder Jans was in a bar, MAJOR defections coming. I was told they have 5 kids that want OUT"

Parker, Dickerson, Austin, Denny and Tisdale would be five. Andrews may have received a release. That is debatable. The part that isn't is he has yet to sign with anyone else and until he does, no one from BG is apparently talking.

In the immediate aftermath of the hiring and meeting with the players, Parker was very positive.

Austin and Dickerson were teammates at the JUCO level and as soon as one left, you kinda knew the other wasn't far behind with Jans gone.

Denny is the most surprising, but the least surprising at the same time. Solid contributer and a hustle kid who became much more than I thought he would at this level. An open court game does not favor him at all and he struggles to get his own shot. If he leaves, best of luck to him, like any of the others.

Tisdale is the least surprising. Had some nice film out of HS, but never developed a shooting stroke and struggled to find his place here in two years.

I'm not convinced this is a terrible development for the program. I'm not terribly excited about filling all of those slots with 4 year kids in the next 4-5 weeks, but I would expect a few fifth years and maybe a P5 transfer who would sit for a year or even semester to round out the lot.

[Globetrotter]

I wish I could post directly from text messages I received three to four weeks ago. This is still not cause for concern for me.

Four weeks ago, a former UT player from home (NW Ohio) texted one of my small college ball buddies. He said something to the effect of "it's no wonder Jans was in a bar, MAJOR defections coming. I was told they have 5 kids that want OUT"

Parker, Dickerson, Austin, Denny and Tisdale would be five. Andrews may have received a release. That is debatable. The part that isn't is he has yet to sign with anyone else and until he does, no one from BG is apparently talking.

In the immediate aftermath of the hiring and meeting with the players, Parker was very positive.

Austin and Dickerson were teammates at the JUCO level and as soon as one left, you kinda knew the other wasn't far behind with Jans gone.

Denny is the most surprising, but the least surprising at the same time. Solid contributer and a hustle kid who became much more than I thought he would at this level. An open court game does not favor him at all and he struggles to get his own shot. If he leaves, best of luck to him, like any of the others.

Tisdale is the least surprising. Had some nice film out of HS, but never developed a shooting stroke and struggled to find his place here in two years.

I'm not convinced this is a terrible development for the program. I'm not terribly excited about filling all of those slots with 4 year kids in the next 4-5 weeks, but I would expect a few fifth years and maybe a P5 transfer who would sit for a year or even semester to round out the lot.

So you got that text before Jans left....meaning they wanted out before Jans left? I thought they wanted out because Jans left.

[OptionQB]

Yes the former late 90's/early 00's UT player said they wanted out BEFORE the bar incident saying "it's no wonder he was (drunk) in a bar" . . . "MAJOR defections coming. I hear five guys want OUT"

At the time, I took it as UT guys not dealing with BG's new coach real well, but now it's starting to make sense.

[Globetrotter]

Yes the former late 90's/early 00's UT player said they wanted out BEFORE the bar incident saying "it's no wonder he was (drunk) in a bar" . . . "MAJOR defections coming. I hear five guys want OUT"

At the time, I took it as UT guys not dealing with BG's new coach real well, but now it's starting to make sense.

Interesting. Another poster had said that they wanted to leave because they were super close to Jans and the coaches and were essentially told by administration that things would be different then what they ended up getting.

[Globetrotter]

1 Joseph, Sr
2 Hluchoweckyj, Fr
3
4 Worrell, Fr-Friday, Fr-Wiggins, Fr
5 Gomez, Sr-Mayleben, So

1 Austin 4
2 Andrews 3
3 Denny 2 Tisdale 3
4 Dickerson 4
5 Parker 4

What could have been
1 Joseph 4 Austin 4 Hluchoweckyi 1
2 Denny 2 Andrews 3
3 Dickerson 4 Tisdale 3
4 Parker 4 Mayleben 2 Friday 1
5 Worrell 2 Gomez 4 Wiggins 1

Some of those guys transferring are going to end up at Division 2 schools. Thats really sad.

[OSUFALCON]

I wish I could post directly from text messages I received three to four weeks ago. This is still not cause for concern for me.

Four weeks ago, a former UT player from home (NW Ohio) texted one of my small college ball buddies. He said something to the effect of "it's no wonder Jans was in a bar, MAJOR defections coming. I was told they have 5 kids that want OUT"

Parker, Dickerson, Austin, Denny and Tisdale would be five. Andrews may have received a release. That is debatable. The part that isn't is he has yet to sign with anyone else and until he does, no one from BG is apparently talking.

In the immediate aftermath of the hiring and meeting with the players, Parker was very positive.

Austin and Dickerson were teammates at the JUCO level and as soon as one left, you kinda knew the other wasn't far behind with Jans gone.

Denny is the most surprising, but the least surprising at the same time. Solid contributer and a hustle kid who became much more than I thought he would at this level. An open court game does not favor him at all and he struggles to get his own shot. If he leaves, best of luck to him, like any of the others.

Tisdale is the least surprising. Had some nice film out of HS, but never developed a shooting stroke and struggled to find his place here in two years.

I'm not convinced this is a terrible development for the program. I'm not terribly excited about filling all of those slots with 4 year kids in the next 4-5 weeks, but I would expect a few fifth years and maybe a P5 transfer who would sit for a year or even semester to round out the lot.

"A former UT player texted you that players were going to leave prior to the Jans firing? So Jans gets fired and they are still leaving? I think the fact that no one is left from the previous staff is why many feel the need to look elsewhere. Remember they all have to find schools willing to take them. I really feel for all the players and coaches who had to deal with this unfortunate situation they had nothing to do.

[guest44]

Some are going to end up at D2 schools? Don't you mean most if not all? Don't mistake the coaching job Jans did last year for being a super talented team.

[OptionQB]

I don't want to say too much because the message was relayed in confindence and he's been a good source of info.

It was implied that Jans rode these kids HARD and while winning was the result, it was a BIG culture shock from the Orr days and the kids didn't respond well to it and felt burned out by the end of the season . . . Something we all thought meant they couldn't finish . . . Could've actually meant they were on sea legs from the hard practices and I will never say a college kid wasn't doing their best or trying to lose but they may have been rebelling and/or not responding to his coaching at that point. It's easy to do especially when the results don't follow and it's easy to fall into old bad habits.

[commonsense]

I'm lost for words. 12ppg in the Northern Lakes League is not impressive at all. I think we should expect to get better recruits. We have a walk on from the same league who averaged almost 20.

Don't base things on PPG in HS, especially for big guys. Most high school players (and coaches for that matter) have no idea how to play with an actual big.

Fair Enough, name one good big guy we have had at BGSU that had poor numbers in high school.

[OSUFALCON]

When you 6'8", and play in the NLL (local league that's isn't that tough) and only average 12 points per game? Makes you wonder.

This years NLL champ was Sylvania Southview, undeated and rank #1 in the state and didn't make it to regionals.

Yes I know Orr and V. brown played in the NLL as did Toledo's J. Lauf. None of which I would say have had sellars D1 careers yet.

[Rollo83]

I don't want to say too much because the message was relayed in confindence and he's been a good source of info.

It was implied that Jans rode these kids HARD and while winning was the result, it was a BIG culture shock from the Orr days and the kids didn't respond well to it and felt burned out by the end of the season . . . Something we all thought meant they couldn't finish . . . Could've actually meant they were on sea legs from the hard practices and I will never say a college kid wasn't doing their best or trying to lose but they may have been rebelling and/or not responding to his coaching at that point. It's easy to do especially when the results don't follow and it's easy to fall into old bad habits.

This smells to me. The kids really had a problem with Jans coming in and teaching them how to win? What, they longed for the days with Orr where they could skate through with a losing record? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

If that is the case, then I am glad they are transferring. You can't change the culture and a wining atmosphere with that kind of attitude. Do they really think it's any different at Akron, Kent State, Central Michigan, Buffalo or any other successful MAC program? I have been up close with these coaches and the intensity and pressure is evident at those programs. They expect you to work and perform. That's why they win. It's expected.

We will never have a winning program and break the NCAA Tournament drought with a "players coach." Give me another Jan-type coach any day that will push his players hard and demand more. That's how you get rid of those that don't buy in and then recruit your own players that fit your system and style.

I thought Jans has us headed in that direction. So frustrated to be starting over. But, I wish Coach Huger all the best. Go Falcons!

[Globetrotter]

Austin just tweeted a pick with Jans and said he was forever grateful.

Dickerson just tweeted I want to come home and play for my city. Which is Houston

[Globetrotter]

My fantasy offseason. Imagining everyone leaves who was rumored

6 recruits

2 Freshman
1) Dimencio Vaughn, 6-3 185 Guard NYC-Mississippi for SR year
Connections: Miami showed interest and he is from NY
http://verbalcommits.com/players/dimencio-vaughn" target="_blank
Vaughn looks like a gritty 2 who can do just about everything. Played this year with a guy who just committed to Miss State. Has a Bunch of offers. Can dunk.
https://vimeo.com/121528651" target="_blank

2) Londell King, 6-7 Tallahassee
Connections: Offered by FIU who is out of schollies. Our HC coached with their assistant coach Gilliam
http://verbalcommits.com/players/londell-king" target="_blank
Looks super athletic and long. Seems like a very good guy to be a backup F at both spots and looks like he has the skillset to eventually be a star.

1 JUCO Transfer
1) Mike Davis, Lakeland Community College in Cleveland
Was the league MVP avg 20ppg shot 40% from 3, 2.3a, 4.3r
http://stats.njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2014 ... edavis103e" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKeQ69_0crY" target="_blank
I see no recruiting stuff on him at all. His numbers look good though.

2 SR Tranfers
1) Ge'Lawn Guyn 6-2 185, Cincy SR Transfer
Connections: Played in the state for 4 years, looking for a place to get some PT
http://verbalcommits.com/players/ge-lawn-guyn" target="_blank
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... 'lawn-guyn" target="_blank
Didn't have great stats at Cincy but saw a lot of minutes his 3rd year. Can transfer and play right away from what I read. Also read that he was Cincy's best on ball defender.
Here is a shaky 5 year old video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPTZRTjNiLw" target="_blank

2)Luke Moyer, Pennsylvania-Campbell, 6-0 SR Transfer
Connections: Played in Penn, Started at Richmond and then transferred to Campbell
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/luke-moyer" target="_blank
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... luke-moyer" target="_blank
Great outside shooter and quick, not a distributor based on stats but has nice handles. Could be a capable second pg.


1 JR Transfer
1) Dominique Williams 6-7 205, FIU and Charlotte
Connections: Played at FIU and our coach coached with their assistant.
http://verbalcommits.com/players/dominique-williams--2" target="_blank
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... e-williams" target="_blank
2014-24mpg, 6.9ppg, 4.5rpg