Who else wants a rematch in the MACC???

[Flipper]

Tennessee and Memphis would kill Toledo. If we play them again, we'll kill them too. Swear to Jah, some of you are frightened of your own shadows.

[hammb]

Tennessee and Memphis would kill Toledo. If we play them again, we'll kill them too. Swear to Jah, some of you are frightened of your own shadows.

I don't think UT is as good as Memphis, but I didn't get to see the BG/Memphis game.

I have seen Memphis a couple times though and Paxton Lynch alone makes Memphis a superior team to UT. UT may have a better defense, but the offense isn't comparable, AFAIC.

I want to play UT in the title game because I think we should be a 2 TD better team than them if we just hold onto the freaking football. Good god we did just about everything you could possibly do wrong for 60 minutes and we only lost by 16.

[Falcon137]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

[hammb]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

I thought they did early, but I thought as the game went on MattyJ had time a lot, and had guys open underneath as well. He wasn't willing to keep taking what the defense was giving though. They were dropping 7 back in coverage all night (sometimes 8) but at least 2 of those guys were on Lewis all day long. That helped the math back into our favor. We weren't patient enough to work our way down the field.


And despite all of that. If we didn't derail drives with penalties and held onto the ball, we still win the game.

[lawrence.marshall2]

I'll only be going to Detroit if BG plays WMU or Toledo. I've no interest seeing them playing NIU again.

Yes. I'm tired of BGSU vs NIU for MACC. I've watched it LIVE both times and I am ready for BGSU vs UT/WMU.

[Falcon137]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

I thought they did early, but I thought as the game went on MattyJ had time a lot, and had guys open underneath as well. He wasn't willing to keep taking what the defense was giving though. They were dropping 7 back in coverage all night (sometimes 8) but at least 2 of those guys were on Lewis all day long. That helped the math back into our favor. We weren't patient enough to work our way down the field.


And despite all of that. If we didn't derail drives with penalties and held onto the ball, we still win the game.

Agreed. Johnson has held the ball for a long time all year, waiting for guys to break open.

I'm not going to go through the game thread, because, I'm not a masochist. But was anyone else surprised BG wasn't going for 2? After they scored to go down 30-20, why not go for 2? What's the difference between being down 9 and 10? Looking back it obviously doesn't matter. But, with the chance to cut it to 1 possession, why not take it?

[BGFalconfromCincy]

Good god we did just about everything you could possibly do wrong for 60 minutes and we only lost by 16.

That's what upset me most about last night. I would have rather got blown out or lost in the final seconds over last night where we basically just handed them the game.

[slashba33]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

I thought they did early, but I thought as the game went on MattyJ had time a lot, and had guys open underneath as well. He wasn't willing to keep taking what the defense was giving though. They were dropping 7 back in coverage all night (sometimes 8) but at least 2 of those guys were on Lewis all day long. That helped the math back into our favor. We weren't patient enough to work our way down the field.


And despite all of that. If we didn't derail drives with penalties and held onto the ball, we still win the game.

Agreed. Johnson has held the ball for a long time all year, waiting for guys to break open.

I'm not going to go through the game thread, because, I'm not a masochist. But was anyone else surprised BG wasn't going for 2? After they scored to go down 30-20, why not go for 2? What's the difference between being down 9 and 10? Looking back it obviously doesn't matter. But, with the chance to cut it to 1 possession, why not take it?

I think any coach would agree that it was way too early to start chasing points. You do it when you HAVE to.

[kdog27]

I'd like to see Toledo again. Just about everything that could go wrong, went wrong for BG. Props to them for capitalizing on errors but they didn't do anything to make me think BG couldn't beat them.

And if they beat BG again? So what. Then BG doesn't deserve to be MAC champs.

[Falcon137]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

I thought they did early, but I thought as the game went on MattyJ had time a lot, and had guys open underneath as well. He wasn't willing to keep taking what the defense was giving though. They were dropping 7 back in coverage all night (sometimes 8) but at least 2 of those guys were on Lewis all day long. That helped the math back into our favor. We weren't patient enough to work our way down the field.


And despite all of that. If we didn't derail drives with penalties and held onto the ball, we still win the game.

Agreed. Johnson has held the ball for a long time all year, waiting for guys to break open.

I'm not going to go through the game thread, because, I'm not a masochist. But was anyone else surprised BG wasn't going for 2? After they scored to go down 30-20, why not go for 2? What's the difference between being down 9 and 10? Looking back it obviously doesn't matter. But, with the chance to cut it to 1 possession, why not take it?

I think any coach would agree that it was way too early to start chasing points. You do it when you HAVE to.

'

Why? You go for 2 and don't get it, it's a 2 possession game. You kick the extra point, it's a 2 possession game.

What's the difference in being down 37-28 vs 37-27? IMO, it's worth the reward of making it a 1 possession game.

[slashba33]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

I thought they did early, but I thought as the game went on MattyJ had time a lot, and had guys open underneath as well. He wasn't willing to keep taking what the defense was giving though. They were dropping 7 back in coverage all night (sometimes 8) but at least 2 of those guys were on Lewis all day long. That helped the math back into our favor. We weren't patient enough to work our way down the field.


And despite all of that. If we didn't derail drives with penalties and held onto the ball, we still win the game.

Agreed. Johnson has held the ball for a long time all year, waiting for guys to break open.

I'm not going to go through the game thread, because, I'm not a masochist. But was anyone else surprised BG wasn't going for 2? After they scored to go down 30-20, why not go for 2? What's the difference between being down 9 and 10? Looking back it obviously doesn't matter. But, with the chance to cut it to 1 possession, why not take it?

I think any coach would agree that it was way too early to start chasing points. You do it when you HAVE to.

'

Why? You go for 2 and don't get it, it's a 2 possession game. You kick the extra point, it's a 2 possession game.

Because that was 12:25 left in the 3rd Quarter...AND because in 1:15 later it didn't matter what they did because UT scored again and made it a 3 score game!

[Falcon137]

Toledo's front 4 is much better Memphis. I still think Toledo's secondary is terrible. When you are able to drop 7 on every passing down it hides a lot of your flaws. Still can't believe how they had their way with the BG line.

I thought they did early, but I thought as the game went on MattyJ had time a lot, and had guys open underneath as well. He wasn't willing to keep taking what the defense was giving though. They were dropping 7 back in coverage all night (sometimes 8) but at least 2 of those guys were on Lewis all day long. That helped the math back into our favor. We weren't patient enough to work our way down the field.


And despite all of that. If we didn't derail drives with penalties and held onto the ball, we still win the game.

Agreed. Johnson has held the ball for a long time all year, waiting for guys to break open.

I'm not going to go through the game thread, because, I'm not a masochist. But was anyone else surprised BG wasn't going for 2? After they scored to go down 30-20, why not go for 2? What's the difference between being down 9 and 10? Looking back it obviously doesn't matter. But, with the chance to cut it to 1 possession, why not take it?

I think any coach would agree that it was way too early to start chasing points. You do it when you HAVE to.

'

Why? You go for 2 and don't get it, it's a 2 possession game. You kick the extra point, it's a 2 possession game.

Because that was 12:25 left in the 3rd Quarter...AND because in 1:15 later it didn't matter what they did because UT scored again and made it a 3 score game!

Yea, playing the result is easy, I guess.

[bgsufalcon24]

I'm going to answer the question very simply. Hell no.

BG has a major mental block against UT. They don't know how to approach the game because the players and coaches don't have any confidence or belief that they can beat Toledo. It's a total curse. Just watching the offense come off the field after the first play last night following the interception, you just knew they were all thinking the same thing "oh my god here we go again." Then when they finally put their big boy pants on and got into the game and Johnson makes that huge play to score and it's called back on a phantom penalty, well, you know a team that is already in a mentally fragile state is not going to overcome something like that.

This kind of stuff happens every time we play Toledo. As one poster pointed out, we've been down 2 or 3 scores against UT all but one time in this streak before scoring our first point of the game. There's no belief that we can beat these guys, period. And if you think I'm full of it, look at Toledo's reverse situation vs NIU. Many times they've had a chance to win against the Huskies, most notably 2011 and this year, and they had the game virtually in hand only to mentally come unglued in the 4th quarter and piss the game away. Toledo didn't beat NIU this year because even though they were winning most of the game...they didn't have that belief that they could really finish it off and win. If they were playing any other team in the MAC up by 2 scores in the 4th quarter with the other team's starting QB out, they win. Period.

In short, give me Western Michigan, who we just beat and can certainly beat again. Give me Northern Illinois, who we beat in 2013 with many of the players from that game, especially on offense, still on the roster today. For the love of god don't make BG play Toledo again. Our odds of winning the MAC title drop dramatically if UT is our opponent, not just because UT is better than both NIU and WMU, but because the Toledo curse is very real.

I'll take this a step further and say that since I hate WMU almost as much as Toledo, I'm officially a Huskies backer for the next week.

[cameron]

The idea of wanting to play against a team because we have a perceived better chance to beat them is a cowardly way to go. I want UT, and I'd be willing to bet every player on our team feels the exact same way.

I honestly feel that the advantage would go to BG. They'll definitely be more motivated-they all know there were a ton of mistakes that cost them the game last night. Plus, you learn more from a loss when you rematch the same team in a season, and that goes for any sport at any level.

For that reason, I think WMU would be more ready for us if they go to the MACC.

All that to say, Row that Boat tonight, PJ. Then hopefully TSUN wins on Black Friday to set up the rematch.

[bgsufalcon24]

The idea of wanting to play against a team because we have a perceived better chance to beat them is a cowardly way to go.

Of course it is.

But don't you think every Florida Gators fan out there is wishing for Auburn to beat Alabama so Florida won't have to face the Crimson Tide for the SEC Championship and a possible spot in the College Football Playoff?

Don't you think every Iowa Hawkeyes fan is rooting for Michigan State this week, and then if necessary Michigan next week so that they won't have to face Ohio State in the B1G championship and thus have an easier shot at the B1G title and a spot in the CFP?

If your answer is no, you're nuts.

Smart, rational thinking people want their team to be in the best position to reach the goal at hand. People that base their decision making on raw emotion wish for their team to face the best opponent possible for the sake of a hurt ego or to somehow restore ones manhood.

Be very, very careful what you wish for...