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[Falcon137]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

College football, especially FCS schools, needs someone such as a PJ Fleck to come on board for period of time (such as vintage Marshall star power) and make it fun again. So many of these guys come in masquerading as having the program's interest at the top of their list. When behind closed doors, the mind set is short term winning & then leaving ASAP. It has become the norm not only in the Mid-Am, but most everywhere. Is it paranoia that has them walking a red coal carpet? The cycle seems to have evolved over the last forty years and as is the case with many of the MAC schools it usually adds up to NOTHING - little momentum, pathetic fan base, apathetic students & a general disinterest; and more frequently The Headless Horseman leading a team to a bowl game. A revolving door of coaches coming and going coming and going. A vicious cycle having gone on for years adding up to: 'it is what it is'.
Nice to see WMU is getting somewhere. They improved throughout the season and beat Campbell in the end. Matt was thinking about making that plane, as his kids went down.

If Western can afford to pay a coach this much, they shouldn't be subsidizing their budget with student funds. The college football bubble is going to bust soon and in a big way.

[jpfalcon09]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

Private donations most likely, it's been talked about on the WMU board that the new AD has been working hard with some of the big alumni to fork over additional funds to keep Fleck around. I don't really see the benefit as it'll be money flushed down the toilet when he eventually does leave.

[Flipper]

Western lost two of their last three games... when the west was on the line... so it's hard to see how they improved at the end. UT choked... they choked against NIU as well. UT people can lay the blame on Campbell all they want, but the plays were there to be made and the team didn't make them. That isn't preparation, it's execution... they choked.

Fleck is already the highest paid MAC coach....I don't see anything heroic about him putting a strain on the department to take even more money to stay. Sticking around and honoring the contract that pays him 800k...which is probably too much given the results he's achieved would be altruistic... perhaps... but hardly heroic.

Financially... I have a hard time seeing how paying a MAC coach close to or more than a million per year makes sense. There doesn't seem to be enough theoretical revenue to justify the cost.

[hammb]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

College football, especially FCS schools, needs someone such as a PJ Fleck to come on board for period of time (such as vintage Marshall star power) and make it fun again. So many of these guys come in masquerading as having the program's interest at the top of their list. When behind closed doors, the mind set is short term winning & then leaving ASAP. It has become the norm not only in the Mid-Am, but most everywhere. Is it paranoia that has them walking a red coal carpet? The cycle seems to have evolved over the last forty years and as is the case with many of the MAC schools it usually adds up to NOTHING - little momentum, pathetic fan base, apathetic students & a general disinterest; and more frequently The Headless Horseman leading a team to a bowl game. A revolving door of coaches coming and going coming and going. A vicious cycle having gone on for years adding up to: 'it is what it is'.
Nice to see WMU is getting somewhere. They improved throughout the season and beat Campbell in the end. Matt was thinking about making that plane, as his kids went down.

If Western can afford to pay a coach this much, they shouldn't be subsidizing their budget with student funds. The college football bubble is going to bust soon and in a big way.

As much as I love BG football it still disgusts me on some level that such a large part of our student populations' debt goes to fund intercollegiate athletics...football especially.

There is a bubble there, and it probably will burst, but I wonder when/where/who. The MAC is no doubt on the bubble. We cannot keep inflating our coaching salaries. MAC schools cannot afford a million dollar coach. We cannot really afford a $400k coach. We may be able to in hoops with Bill Frack's generosity subsidizing the coaching salary, but we don't have that same type of endowment for football (yes I know, the AD can and will pull money to the different sports...). But the bottom line is our ESPN contract pays next to zero when you're talking about these sort of coaching salaries. Our attendance gets worse and worse because of our cowtowing to that piddly ESPN contract. This is only sustainable by continuing to rape the students' general fees and rationalizing football as "invaluable marketing".

But what really interests me is how that bubble hits the lower tier P5 schools. I know they get a lot more money than us from the playoff pool and their TV contracts, but I still find it tough to believe these teams can sustainably pay the salaries they're starting to pay. They will never come close to approaching the revenue that the true big boys pull in from donations, ticket sales, parking, etc. And yet they're upping coaching salaries so they can feign being competitive with them on the field. All the while they're experiencing similar attendance drops as we are.

College football will survive. The true powerhouses have never been richer. Ohio State can afford to pay their coordinators more than Illinois and Purdue will pay their head coaches (if they so choose). The elite continue to distance themselves further and further from everybody else.

In the end I wonder if we will eventually see the truly elite break off from their traditional conference brethren and realize how much more money they'd make in a 20-30 team "Ultra Division 1" or whatever the hell you wanna call it, and agree to mostly just play one another.

[Flipper]

Everyone in the B1G can nuke virtually anyone financially. The conference gave out $32 million per school this year.... That's a mind boggling number.

[Schadenfreude]

It has become the norm not only in the Mid-Am,

Mid-Am? That's old school.



I like it.

[Globetrotter]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

Private donations most likely, it's been talked about on the WMU board that the new AD has been working hard with some of the big alumni to fork over additional funds to keep Fleck around. I don't really see the benefit as it'll be money flushed down the toilet when he eventually does leave.

The benefit is that you build a really good program.

[Schadenfreude]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

Private donations most likely, it's been talked about on the WMU board that the new AD has been working hard with some of the big alumni to fork over additional funds to keep Fleck around. I don't really see the benefit as it'll be money flushed down the toilet when he eventually does leave.

This raises a good question. If a donor stepped up today and said: "Look, I have a spare few million I'd like to share with you for football. Use it anyway you like." Would you spend it on Babers?

I wouldn't spend it on Babers any more than I would burn a first round draft pick on a quarterback in most fantasy football leagues. There will always be an up-and-comer we can hire. This program has bigger needs right now than a brand name head coach. The stadium needs work, the program could use a bigger recruiting budget, etc.

Stability at the head coach position would be nice. Moreover, I'll grant that Babers seems to have a bit of a secret sauce with this offense. But I'm not sure its worth an additional $1 million per year, or whatever Central Florida is going to pay for it. Not to us, given where this program stands right now.

I'm glad we had Babers here. He did well. I sure hope he can keep enough focus to demolish Northern Illinois. And then we will figure out the next step.

[jpfalcon09]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

Private donations most likely, it's been talked about on the WMU board that the new AD has been working hard with some of the big alumni to fork over additional funds to keep Fleck around. I don't really see the benefit as it'll be money flushed down the toilet when he eventually does leave.

This raises a good question. If a donor stepped up today and said: "Look, I have a spare few million I'd like to share with you for football. Use it anyway you like." Would you spend it on Babers?

I wouldn't spend it on Babers any more than I would burn a first round draft pick on a quarterback in most fantasy football leagues. There will always be an up-and-comer we can hire. This program has bigger needs right now than a brand name head coach. The stadium needs work, the program could use a bigger recruiting budget, etc.

Stability at the head coach position would be nice. Moreover, I'll grant that Babers seems to have a bit of a secret sauce with this offense. But I'm not sure its worth an additional $1 million per year, or whatever Central Florida is going to pay for it. Not to us, given where this program stands right now.

I'm glad we had Babers here. He did well. I sure hope he can keep enough focus to demolish Northern Illinois. And then we will figure out the next step.

Babers will have a challenge at UCF is attempting to make that program his own. He stepped into good situations at EIU and here at BG with the cupboard already full and only had to add on some pieces. He'll be inheriting a 0-12 team which I'm sure has talent but will likely need to be rebuilt from the ground up. I'll be curious to see how he does there and how long UCF gives him if things don't pan out.

[hammb]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

Private donations most likely, it's been talked about on the WMU board that the new AD has been working hard with some of the big alumni to fork over additional funds to keep Fleck around. I don't really see the benefit as it'll be money flushed down the toilet when he eventually does leave.

This raises a good question. If a donor stepped up today and said: "Look, I have a spare few million I'd like to share with you for football. Use it anyway you like." Would you spend it on Babers?

I wouldn't spend it on Babers any more than I would burn a first round draft pick on a quarterback in most fantasy football leagues. There will always be an up-and-comer we can hire. This program has bigger needs right now than a brand name head coach. The stadium needs work, the program could use a bigger recruiting budget, etc.

Stability at the head coach position would be nice. Moreover, I'll grant that Babers seems to have a bit of a secret sauce with this offense. But I'm not sure its worth an additional $1 million per year, or whatever Central Florida is going to pay for it. Not to us, given where this program stands right now.

I'm glad we had Babers here. He did well. I sure hope he can keep enough focus to demolish Northern Illinois. And then we will figure out the next step.

Babers will have a challenge at UCF is attempting to make that program his own. He stepped into good situations at EIU and here at BG with the cupboard already full and only had to add on some pieces. He'll be inheriting a 0-12 team which I'm sure has talent but will likely need to be rebuilt from the ground up. I'll be curious to see how he does there and how long UCF gives him if things don't pan out.

I dunno what the hell happened this year. They were 9-4 last year and 12-1 beating top 10 ranked teams 2 years ago. I find it hard to believe the cupboard is COMPLETELY bare, but given the winless season this year I'm guessing they need a new voice in the lockerroom. I would bet that if you looked at it they probably also suffered some injuries this year and/or had QB issues.

I dunno, it's just really strange for a team to go from winning a BCS bowl game, to a solid 9-4 year, to 0-12 just like that. Especially with the same head coach that had been there for like 10 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dino has instant success there the same way Urban did here with Blackney's guys.

[Falcon137]

WMU working on a deal for Fleck that will rival Power 5 jobs....where in the hell is the money coming from?

http://footballscoop.com/news/source-we ... -pj-fleck/" target="_blank

Private donations most likely, it's been talked about on the WMU board that the new AD has been working hard with some of the big alumni to fork over additional funds to keep Fleck around. I don't really see the benefit as it'll be money flushed down the toilet when he eventually does leave.

This raises a good question. If a donor stepped up today and said: "Look, I have a spare few million I'd like to share with you for football. Use it anyway you like." Would you spend it on Babers?

I wouldn't spend it on Babers any more than I would burn a first round draft pick on a quarterback in most fantasy football leagues. There will always be an up-and-comer we can hire. This program has bigger needs right now than a brand name head coach. The stadium needs work, the program could use a bigger recruiting budget, etc.

Stability at the head coach position would be nice. Moreover, I'll grant that Babers seems to have a bit of a secret sauce with this offense. But I'm not sure its worth an additional $1 million per year, or whatever Central Florida is going to pay for it. Not to us, given where this program stands right now.

I'm glad we had Babers here. He did well. I sure hope he can keep enough focus to demolish Northern Illinois. And then we will figure out the next step.

Babers will have a challenge at UCF is attempting to make that program his own. He stepped into good situations at EIU and here at BG with the cupboard already full and only had to add on some pieces. He'll be inheriting a 0-12 team which I'm sure has talent but will likely need to be rebuilt from the ground up. I'll be curious to see how he does there and how long UCF gives him if things don't pan out.

I dunno what the hell happened this year. They were 9-4 last year and 12-1 beating top 10 ranked teams 2 years ago. I find it hard to believe the cupboard is COMPLETELY bare, but given the winless season this year I'm guessing they need a new voice in the lockerroom. I would bet that if you looked at it they probably also suffered some injuries this year and/or had QB issues.

I dunno, it's just really strange for a team to go from winning a BCS bowl game, to a solid 9-4 year, to 0-12 just like that. Especially with the same head coach that had been there for like 10 years.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dino has instant success there the same way Urban did here with Blackney's guys.

It is strange. 0-12 with a loss to Furman and other than FIU, weren't within 14 points of anyone. Their recruiting classes have been middle of the pack AAC, so I think there is some talent. And I honestly don't think Babers would take the job if he thought it was a total rebuild.

[Globetrotter]

Can we talk about his potential replacement yet?

Durkin won't be an option.
We need to strike quick on Kendal Briles if we want him.

[Flipper]

He runs an offense perfectly suited for the area....he'll be pulling in *** and **** skill position players in no time. He'll be in the access bowl chase in two or three years.

[Globetrotter]

USC job filled internally. 3 interim coaches have gotten jobs this year.

[jpfalcon09]

Can we talk about his potential replacement yet?

Durkin won't be an option.
We need to strike quick on Kendal Briles if we want him.

I haven't had a chance to see who would be available for the job. I don't see Briles being a good fit without any head coaching experience and a lack of recruiting this way.

Chances are Kingston looks again to the FCS level to find someone successful who has built themselves a good resume.