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bgsufalcon24 wrote:Bowling Green punched their ticket to the fictional big dance last night, so no change in the bracket as of yet. I'll update the board as we go through the weekend. CUSA and the American are playing their championship games in the noon window
Saves me time...I love it. What are you going to use to rank the teams 1-16?
The CFP rankings will be used to rank the teams and determine which at large teams make the virtual big dance. For conference champions not in the top 25, those teams will be seeded by record first and then by conference strength if teams' records are tied.

Western Kentucky and Houston won their games today, so there's been no shakeup in the bracket yet concerning the automatic bids.
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Today pretty much went according to form across college football, so the final bracket will come down to how the final CFP rankings rank the teams.
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Here's what I think it should be and the infrastructure is in place for it now.

There are 10 conferences. The playoff committee said they value conference champions. So, have an 8 team playoff. The two conferences with the least representation in playoff ranking all year are excluded. (And if there are three or more with no representation, playoff committee determines conference ranking). So now you have the top 8 conferences. The champions of each are your 8 team playoff. No at-larges - they fail to qualify because they weren't the best in their own conference. Each game all season long is like a playoff game. Seeding is determined by playoff committee ranking (or impromptu vote for teams like us outside of playoff top 25).

The MAC would be in the top 8 this year thanks to UT's mirage team getting into the playoff rankings for a few weeks. Sun Belt and C-USA would be left out due to being the only two with no teams in the playoff rankings. We would most likely get a 7 seed, above SDSU, so we would be playing the 2 seed (probably Alabama but maybe Clemson after their performance in the ACC title game).

Thoughts? If this sounds stupid it is OK, but I'm no fan of a playoff system that allows conference also-rans a chance at a national championship or does not allow last year's Boise State team who beat Arizona a shot at the national championship.
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MarkL wrote:Here's what I think it should be and the infrastructure is in place for it now.

There are 10 conferences. The playoff committee said they value conference champions. So, have an 8 team playoff. The two conferences with the least representation in playoff ranking all year are excluded. (And if there are three or more with no representation, playoff committee determines conference ranking). So now you have the top 8 conferences. The champions of each are your 8 team playoff. No at-larges - they fail to qualify because they weren't the best in their own conference. Each game all season long is like a playoff game. Seeding is determined by playoff committee ranking (or impromptu vote for teams like us outside of playoff top 25).

The MAC would be in the top 8 this year thanks to UT's mirage team getting into the playoff rankings for a few weeks. Sun Belt and C-USA would be left out due to being the only two with no teams in the playoff rankings. We would most likely get a 7 seed, above SDSU, so we would be playing the 2 seed (probably Alabama but maybe Clemson after their performance in the ACC title game).

Thoughts? If this sounds stupid it is OK, but I'm no fan of a playoff system that allows conference also-rans a chance at a national championship or does not allow last year's Boise State team who beat Arizona a shot at the national championship.

I'd like this as a good step toward a legitimate playoff. I agree 'conference champion' must mean something. Each conference can decide how they crown their champion. So if any conference complains about their best team not being their champion, its their own fault. My problem with not giving every D1A conference champ a shot is that there is never enough evidence to be certain which conference is better than another conference within that one year.

Eventually I would love all D1A conference champs getting a shot. My preference is (I know, it'll never happen) a 24 team playoff with the top 8 getting a bye and hosting the second round. 9-16 host the first round games. All 10 conference champs host a game so they must be seeded in the top 16. Each conference can decide how their champion hosts that game. So in the case of the MAC, we could have it at our on campus stadiums or work a deal with a local dome given the weather.

I would settle for a 12 or 16 team playoff if all D1A champs are included.
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Well here's the final virtual bracket:

#1 Clemson (ACC)
#16 Arkansas State (Sun Belt)

#8 Notre Dame (At-Large)
#9 Florida State (At-Large)

#5 Stanford (Pac-12)
#12 Houston (American)

#4 Oklahoma (Big XII)
#13 Western Kentucky (C-USA)

#6 Iowa (At-Large)
#11 Texas Christian (At-Large)

#3 Michigan State (B1G)
#14 Bowling Green (MAC)

#7 Ohio State (At-Large)
#10 North Carolina (At-Large)

#2 Alabama (SEC)
#15 San Diego State (Mt West)
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Boy oh boy would it be fun to get a shot at Sparty. Could they shut Bowling Green down? No one else has, not really.
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Schadenfreude wrote:Boy oh boy would it be fun to get a shot at Sparty. Could they shut Bowling Green down? No one else has, not really.
Yes... they would shut us down. Their dine would get pressure rushing four, their corners could cover our WR's and their LB's would clog the middle and take away the tunnel screens to the slots and the runs between the tackles Greene and Coppet. They'd wear our defense down by pounding it inside and then going over the top on deep routes when we walk a safety up into the box. MSU would molly whop us by at least 17
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Schadenfreude wrote:Boy oh boy would it be fun to get a shot at Sparty. Could they shut Bowling Green down? No one else has, not really.
Yes... they would shut us down. Their dine would get pressure rushing four, their corners could cover our WR's and their LB's would clog the middle and take away the tunnel screens to the slots and the runs between the tackles Greene and Coppet. They'd wear our defense down by pounding it inside and then going over the top on deep routes when we walk a safety up into the box. MSU would molly whop us by at least 17

Couldn't disagree more, but we'll never find out. Operating under the assumption that we'd still have DIno here if we were in a playoff I don't think MSU stops us at all. Our offense is better than the WMU offense that put up 24 on them, and it's probably better than most of the offenses they played this year.

I don't think we'd win, because they'd pound us on the ground. But I'm no fan of Connor Cook, but he'd do enough to put up points on our defense.

I see no reason whatsoever to think they'd shut down our offense, and I'd be pretty surprised if we lost by 17+. Only if Johnson got impatient and started turning it over.

But what either of us think about what would happen in that game doesn't matter. What matters is that we won't get to see it when there isn't a single good reason why not.
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Their defense is playing as well as anyone's right now. You can stop us if you pressure MJ and take away the deep routes.....MSU can do that with their corners in single coverage. That would free up the LN's to just go sideline to sideline to disrupt the screens. Connor Cook is dinged up now... when healthy, he can throw an accurate deep ball.

They're a legit top five team.... we're a borderline 25-30 at best... of course they'd throttle us.
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Flipper wrote:Their defense is playing as well as anyone's right now. You can stop us if you pressure MJ and take away the deep routes.....MSU can do that with their corners in single coverage. That would free up the LN's to just go sideline to sideline to disrupt the screens. Connor Cook is dinged up now... when healthy, he can throw an accurate deep ball.

They're a legit top five team.... we're a borderline 25-30 at best... of course they'd throttle us.
Agreed. I think we might have had a chance midway through the season. BG hasn't been fooling anyone through the the air the last month. Luckily the run game is just as strong and these MAC teams aren't good enough to stop both. I can't say for certainty what is because I watch the games on TV but obviously adjustments have been made and the deep pass has mostly been taken away.

You see MSU's 22 play drive to win the game? They'd be able to overpower BG like that long before the last drive.
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That drive was a thing of beauty. 82 yards, 22 plays and just about nine and a half minutes came off the clock. LJ Scott is a grown assed man'
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