MAC Referees have lost control

[gmartin]

Just when you think the Referees couldn't get any worse. The ending to the EMU game was terrible. At least 5 non calls on fouls and 2 missed traveling calls in the last 15 seconds. EMU was robbed!!! And now the EMU coach for his press conference as well as bumping a ref may get him suspended. Throw in the fight last week and the 15 minute delay in the scum in Athens. These officials need disciplined or replaced.

[Hawk thrower]

The end of that Eastern Michigan - Ball State game made sports headlines for the day on ESPN last night. The announcers couldn't believe they made so many non calls in a row!!! They said "Only in the MAC!" I was feeling really bad about them not calling that foul at the end of our game when Zack was fouled with both a body and an arm and we could have tied and gone into OT until I saw what happened to Eastern - that was plain awful!!!! Doesn't somebody hold these guys accountable???

[transfer2BGSU]

Who do you want to hold accountable?

I hold the team accountable- make the free throws and what happened at the buzzer yesterday doesn't play into anything. Sorry, but that one play at the end of the game was not what cost us the ballgame. Missed free throws cost us the game. Missed free throws cost us the game against TSUN as well.

JUST FOUND THIS ON THE WEB RE: EMU-BSU GAME

The Mid-American Conference issued the following statement today:


On Saturday, January 23, 2016, at the end of the second overtime in the Ball State vs. Eastern Michigan men’s basketball game, several errors were committed by two of the officials assigned to that game.

In response to these errors, the Mid-American Conference has suspended the officials from two conference games and they will not be considered for 2016 post-season assignments in the conference tournament.

The Mid-American Conference holds its officiating staff to the highest standards. To that end, multiple errors in judgment on one play, as in this case, must be met with swift and firm disciplinary action.

“The final play of the game was not handled appropriately by several officials and unfortunately took away from what was a highly competitive and entertaining game for the competing students and fans,” MAC Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said. “I along with our membership have higher expectations and as a result have directed our coordinator of men’s basketball officials to take appropriate disciplinary action, including multiple-game suspensions.”

[zete]

This is from the BG NEWS Feb. 1967

Charges that the home crowd at Marshall
University basketball games in Huntington, West . Virginia, "intimidates
the officials" is expected to result in an investigation by
the Mid-American Conference.
The charges were fired by Bowling Green Coach Warren (Porky)
Scholler Saturday night after Marshall defeated the Falcons 89-85.
MAC Commissioner Bob James said today, "No comment." But
a conference spokesman said the commissioner will look into the
situation.
An infuriated Scholler leveled his charge at the officials, declaring
"They took this one away from us."
Bowling Green led by 13 points with less than ten minutes to play.
The sports editor of the Huntington Advertiser, Ernie Salvatore.
described the contest as "A physically fierce encounter which
often had Scholler scrambling off the bench to protest various
officiating decisions."
The Thundering Herd won the game on the foul line sinking 27
of 36 while the Falcons were making 15 of 18.
This was the second straight Saturday that Marshall was involved
in an altercation.
When the Herd handed Toledo its first loss of the season Feb. 4,
the game was marred by a fist fight in the final minutes Involving
players and fans who streamed out of the stands.
Officials from Toledo and Marshall blamed each other for the
ruckus that took five minutes to quell and resulted in one Rocket
player being knocked unconscious.
Scholler asserted that the home crowd "Intimidates the officials.
They are afriad to call things...it takes a real man to work there."
Scholler also charged Marshall with playing "dirty basketball."
He accused George Stone, In particular, Marshall's 6-7 junior
who leads the MAC in scoring.
The BG coach charged Stone with "intimidating" Falcon scoring
ace Walt Platkowski, husky 6-8 junior.
Stone, according to Scholler, "was kicking, tripping and punching"
Piatkowski and, "Walt was scared to death."
Earlier in the season, Ohio University also staged a strong protest
after losing to Marshall 70 to 68. The Bobcats claimed a basket at the buzzer that was disallowed was counted.

[Hawk thrower]

True transfertoBGSU - the game was lost at the free throw line. The way poor Denny's day was going - he might not have made those free throws anyway. Thanks for the info on the Eastern Ball State game.

[BGSU33]

I remember the debacle that happened to BG in Buffalo about 8 or 9 years ago. BG "wins" the game, heads to the locker room, UB head coach Reggie Witherspoon buzzing the buzzer at the scorer's table, BG players already in the locker room, Witherspoon protesting something, time eventually added back on the clock, all BG needed to do was inbound the ball but the team was still in the locker room starting their showers, BG gets T-ed up for not taking the floor in time, UB makes free throws, sends game to OT where UB eventually wins. BG had players playing wet from the shower and without socks on because they were already getting undressed and cleaned up out there playing in OT. What a compete and utter mess. I've never seen a game go from a win to a loss in that manner. Ever. Of course, BG was on the losing end of it. My blood still boils over that to this day.....

[factman]

...............and the MAC men's officials seem way better than the women's version if you ask me. There are some good officials for both men and women's basketball, but there are MANY more bad ones in the women's game.

[BGSU33]

The game of basketball would be so much more enjoyable if the refs would just let the players play. All the ticky tack calls, anticipated calls and stoppage in play simply kills the pace and excitement of a lot of games. The ranging variations of a foul are horrible. I'm in the party of letting a little contact go. You have 10 guys competing in a confined space - they're setting picks, boxing out, defending, driving, jumping, etc. There's always going to be some contact based on that alone. If a guy gets hacked, call the foul. But all the calls over things that have minimal or no affect on the game drive me nuts. Coaches are whining about fouls, players are lobbying for fouls, fans are crying for fouls, which in turn gives refs even more reasons to call even more fouls than they already do. It's awful. In just about any competitive, close game, the final 5:00 minutes on the clock often takes about 30 minutes to play because the game turns into a free throw contest between the two teams, which is awful. Is this really what we want to see or how the game of basketball is supposed to be decided? If so, then they should just cut to the chase and have no refs, put 5:00 on the clock, and put each team in a line at the free throw line at opposite ends of the court and let them shoot with a running clock. You make a free throw, the next guy goes. The team with more makes after 5:00 minutes wins. Ballgame. SMH....Because sadly, it's how many games seem to be decided anymore, and it's hurting the game.

And don't even get me started on all the coaches and media timeouts.....

[hammb]

The game of basketball would be so much more enjoyable if the refs would just let the players play. All the ticky tack calls, anticipated calls and stoppage in play simply kills the pace and excitement of a lot of games. The ranging variations of a foul are horrible. I'm in the party of letting a little contact go. You have 10 guys competing in a confined space - they're setting picks, boxing out, defending, driving, jumping, etc. There's always going to be some contact based on that alone. If a guy gets hacked, call the foul. But all the calls over things that have minimal or no affect on the game drive me nuts. Coaches are whining about fouls, players are lobbying for fouls, fans are crying for fouls, which in turn gives refs even more reasons to call even more fouls than they already do. It's awful. In just about any competitive, close game, the final 5:00 minutes on the clock often takes about 30 minutes to play because the game turns into a free throw contest between the two teams, which is awful. Is this really what we want to see or how the game of basketball is supposed to be decided? If so, then they should just cut to the chase and have no refs, put 5:00 on the clock, and put each team in a line at the free throw line at opposite ends of the court and let them shoot with a running clock. You make a free throw, the next guy goes. The team with more makes after 5:00 minutes wins. Ballgame. SMH....Because sadly, it's how many games seem to be decided anymore, and it's hurting the game.

And don't even get me started on all the coaches and media timeouts.....

Swallowing the whistle has the opposite effect of what you're wanting to see. The idea is that if they call the game tightly hopefully the players will back off and actually play the game like it's supposed to be.

I guarantee if you let MORE contact go all that you will get is a scrum of low scoring games where the defenses dominate because they get away with anything.

Coaches and athletes will always take advantage of whatever the refs let them get away with. IMO, calling less fouls is a surefire way to make the game slower and less interesting than it has ever been. Shortening the shotclock was a GREAT change...I wouldn't complain if they took it all the way down to the NBA level 24 seconds. I think if they started counting "continuation" buckets like they do in the NBA it might open things up a bit as well...players aren't gonna be quite as likely to foul if they open up more and 1 opportunities.

[BGSU33]

The game of basketball would be so much more enjoyable if the refs would just let the players play. All the ticky tack calls, anticipated calls and stoppage in play simply kills the pace and excitement of a lot of games. The ranging variations of a foul are horrible. I'm in the party of letting a little contact go. You have 10 guys competing in a confined space - they're setting picks, boxing out, defending, driving, jumping, etc. There's always going to be some contact based on that alone. If a guy gets hacked, call the foul. But all the calls over things that have minimal or no affect on the game drive me nuts. Coaches are whining about fouls, players are lobbying for fouls, fans are crying for fouls, which in turn gives refs even more reasons to call even more fouls than they already do. It's awful. In just about any competitive, close game, the final 5:00 minutes on the clock often takes about 30 minutes to play because the game turns into a free throw contest between the two teams, which is awful. Is this really what we want to see or how the game of basketball is supposed to be decided? If so, then they should just cut to the chase and have no refs, put 5:00 on the clock, and put each team in a line at the free throw line at opposite ends of the court and let them shoot with a running clock. You make a free throw, the next guy goes. The team with more makes after 5:00 minutes wins. Ballgame. SMH....Because sadly, it's how many games seem to be decided anymore, and it's hurting the game.

And don't even get me started on all the coaches and media timeouts.....

Swallowing the whistle has the opposite effect of what you're wanting to see. The idea is that if they call the game tightly hopefully the players will back off and actually play the game like it's supposed to be.

I guarantee if you let MORE contact go all that you will get is a scrum of low scoring games where the defenses dominate because they get away with anything.

Coaches and athletes will always take advantage of whatever the refs let them get away with. IMO, calling less fouls is a surefire way to make the game slower and less interesting than it has ever been. Shortening the shotclock was a GREAT change...I wouldn't complain if they took it all the way down to the NBA level 24 seconds. I think if they started counting "continuation" buckets like they do in the NBA it might open things up a bit as well...players aren't gonna be quite as likely to foul if they open up more and 1 opportunities.

No, it's not going to give me exactly what I want to see at all. I'm not saying to swallow the whistle, I'm saying call a foul - when it's actually - a foul. A noble idea, but it's not gonna happen. I actually enjoy watching teams play defense and to see offenses forced to attack in a variety of different ways. But I also enjoy seeing guys who can actually shoot and score and aren't just playing because they're tall. Give me the style/type/kind of game Oklahoma and Kansas played a couple weeks any day of the week. Yeah I know, they're two of the top two teams in the nations. But kids were defending, kids were scoring, it was the kind of game the NCAA could only dream of having in the National Championship on the big stage at the end of the year. I don't want to see 24-second shot clocks and no defense. We already have that kind of basketball. It's called the NBA. There are a lot of amazing players in it, some are even freaks. But the type of basketball is pure garbage. It's a toned down version of the All-Star game and only really gets decent come the Playoffs. Until then, 80 of the 82 games are teams going through the motions. The mere fact that you get penalized for playing "illegal defense" in the NBA says it all. It's garbage. Illegal defense should be when a foul is committed, not when a defense schemes to stop a team or player. SMH. It's a joke. That said, the NBA, particularly in the Playoffs in the late 1980''s-1990's was exciting. Teams, players and cities hated each other. Nowadays they're all boys, hugging and tweeting it out afterwards. But back to college, and I do agree, the shot clock being shorted to 30 seconds is much better. That is something we can agree on concerning this. GREAT change. But this ticky-tack foul stuff needs stop. If it's a foul, call it. But if it's a play-on, let them play-on.