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The rest of the year and next year.

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With an eye on the rest of the year and next year.

Point Guard.
1. Ali-(SR 2016-2017) (HUGER) I'd start him immediately. He is the better PG. He can attack the basket and finish and can beat his man of the middle. He isn't as steady as Joseph but he is better all around. He will start next year. Might as well get this started ASAP.

2. Joseph-(Will Graduate) (JANS) He needs to get to the bench. He is a decent point guard but just average at everything. During our losing streak he has started every game but a comparison of the stats is telling. He is shooting 30% from the field with 17 assists and 15 turnovers. Ali is shooting 40% with 31 assists and 17 turnovers. I know that it really doesn't matter who starts but rather who ends the game, but in this case it's time to change some things up.

3. Roderick Caldwell-(FR 2016-2017) He's number 11 in this video. I assume next year he slides right in behind Ali and plays a ton. I think he could be a really good one. He plays on one of the best teams in the country right now. I can't seem to find his stats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVsvJ-69Gp0" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v19f98vH0SA" target="_blank

4. Dylan Frye-(FR 2016-2017) Frye looks like a very interesting scorer who at 6-1 will probably play more 2 then 1 with Caldwell in the mix. He has a nice stroke and great BBall IQ but I worry about his athleticism. If you watch both there videos it is what Hammb has been saying we need. Shooters who can attack the basket. His stop and pop is very pretty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0RuAmutRGc" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CepREu-39RI" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2igTWZSu5I" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYHsvBloxyk" target="_blank
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/dylan-f ... efault.htm" target="_blank

Shooting Guard
1. Denny-(SR 2016-2017) (ORR) Denny is in an unbelievable funk but he is a great player who can flat out shoot and does all the little things you need in a player. He rebounds tremendously for a 6-2 guard. He is averaging 12.4 ppg and 7.2rpg shooting .393 from 3. However. Over the last nine he is shooting 31% from 2 and 27% from 3. Very terrible numbers. When he is right he is a solid starter.

2. Tisdale-(SR 2016-2017) (ORR) Tisdale is an athlete but not great at anything. He was a DNP last game and has only played 6 minutes over the last 4 games total. He doesn't have a role on this team but was named a team Captain.

3. Hluchoweckyj-(SO 2016-2017) (JANS/HUGER) Malik has only played in eight games this year and hasn't played since Jan 12th. I am not sure if there is an injury involved. He is a very good athlete and could have a role down the road especially as a second guard who is solid on D and attacks the basket.

Small Forward
1. Antwon Lillard-(SO 2016-2017) (HUGER) I would start Lillard immediately and play him another ten minutes a game. I think the sky is the limit for him and he could be the centerpiece for the team. He is very aggressive to the rim. 7.5ppg as a freshman is very good.

2. Wesley Alcegaire-(SR 2016-2017) (HUGER) Alcegaire has been solid but I think he could be much better. As someone said, he loves the three point land and doesn't take advantage of his athleticism around the rim enough. I think that Huger thought he was going to be the centerpiece of the team and has given him minutes and responsibilities to match that belief.

Power Forward
1. Spencer Parker-(Graduated) (ORR) Parker is the leading scorer at 14.4 pg and solid but seems so inconsistent and just has a feel that his game is outside of the offense. He is still scoring in bunches during the losing streak though.

2. Rasheed Worrell-(So 2016-2017) (JANS) I would start Worrell at the 4 next year which this indicates. I think he is a star in the making and will play very well next to Wiggins for the long term. He is averaging 7.7 ppg and 4.2rpg which is solid for a Freshman. I think he eventually will be a very good player in the MAC once he starts playing much more consistently.

Center
1. DeMajeo Wiggins-(So 2016-2017) (HUGER) I would replace Worrell with Wiggins as a starter now too. Wiggins has been coming on strong but is inconsistent as well. He's less athletic then Worrell but more fundamentally sound. I'd like to see what he will do with more minutes. 4.3ppg and 4.5rpg is pretty solid for a freshman finding his place.

2. Garrett Mayleben-(JR 2016-2017) (ORR) Mayleben has solid size but his lack of athleticism hurts him from finding a role on the team. He is a team captain so maybe he will be an end of the bench big guy who brings leadership skills and a high GPA for the next 2 years.

3. Josh Gomez-(Graduated) (ORR) Gomez doesn't have a role on a team desperate for a big man.

2016-2017
1 Ali Sr-Caldwell Fr-Frye Fr
2 Denny Sr-Tisdale Sr-Malik So
3 Lillard So-Alcegaire-Sr
4 Worrell So
5 Wiggins So-Mayleben Jr

To fill out the roster I would get 2 of these 3 bros.

Mark Kostelac 6-11 250 Chadron
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/mark-kostelac" target="_blank
http://www.3rdcoasthoops.com/under-the-radar/detail/503" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFBKaINO1Ck" target="_blank
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2334934/mark-kostelac" target="_blank

Jon Brown 6-6 Miami SG
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jonathan-brown" target="_blank
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jonatha" target="_blank ... -stats.htm

Shakem Johnson 6-7 Warren OH SF
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/shakem-johnson" target="_blank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5r5YvU_5Y" target="_blank
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/shakem-" target="_blank ... efault.htm
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FWIW, Kostelic is from CHARDON not Chadron, but plays for NDCL(Notre dame-cathedral Latin).
We've talked about him before... I understand he took a trip down to WVU recently, but from what i've been told by my friend he's still very inconsistent. Had 13 pts vs Walsh Jesuit last week so maybe things are improving, but reg. season is almost over.
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Ha! Globe! This is a first - I agree with your entire post.

How long has it been?

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I just don't understand the difficulty in the MAC with developing shooters....Akron is always near the top of of the standings because of 3 main concepts:

1. The compete defensively on a night in night out basis.

2. They have athletic 4s and 5s that rebound and can finish around the rim.

3. They usually have a true 1 who can run the offense and hit a perimeter jumper...their 2s either can really shoot or are very good at slashing and kicking the ball out or finishing at the rim.

It cannot be that hard....we are handing out full scholarships and have a top 3 facility in the conference. Develop shooters...they don't have to be Keith McCloud, but they should be able to make an open jumper.
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Louis Orr went on a run of big men who couldn't score 10ppg in high school. Like one every year, then redshirted them, then brought in another the next year. Kraus and Erger were the guys that were supposed to be shooters. Then, when he struck gold, he didn't play Holmes or Ogelsby for that matter, and just rode Cam Black and Crawford to mediocrity. Thus the lack of talent everywhere.
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apollo wrote:I just don't understand the difficulty in the MAC with developing shooters....Akron is always near the top of of the standings because of 3 main concepts:

1. The compete defensively on a night in night out basis.

2. They have athletic 4s and 5s that rebound and can finish around the rim.

3. They usually have a true 1 who can run the offense and hit a perimeter jumper...their 2s either can really shoot or are very good at slashing and kicking the ball out or finishing at the rim.

It cannot be that hard....we are handing out full scholarships and have a top 3 facility in the conference. Develop shooters...they don't have to be Keith McCloud, but they should be able to make an open jumper.
The difference between us and the perennial top teams in our league is they RECRUIT shooters. These guys have the proven ability to shoot BEFORE coming to college. If you're recruiting guys and trying to make or develop them into a shooter once they arrive on campus, it's often a losing proposition. It's also not something coaches spend a lot of time working on with guys. However, shooting is a part of the game anyone can work on, even own their own. Yes, guys can certainly improve their shooting when they get to college, but if you aren't a good shooter coming in, you're often not going to be much of one going out. But how many teams do we hear about good shooters who spent hours in the gym shooting??? All the time! Free throws, post moves, jumpers, threes. You hear it time and time again about the hours good shooters put in. Yes, some guys are just better at it than others. But there is without question a variation of work that goes into getting in the gym and working on one's shot from player to player. But one thing that drives me crazy is, seeing a D-I kid on scholarship who can jump and dunk but can't hit a frickin' free throw or open shot. Being - or not being for that matter- a good shooter often stems right back to the person themselves. With shooting you often get out of it what you put into it. And the proof is in the pudding.
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Globe,
You might want to check this out as i dont recall his name, but CLE E.TECH hs has a JR, who's already had several games in the 30's and a couple in the 40's. Would seem to be the type you've been discussing. Think he's in the 6'3-6'4 range though not sure of that.

Check that... Listed as 6'0 PG... Has offer from OSU among others. Still.... Why not take a shot?
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Checked it out ... Name is Markell Johnson.
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Saw him, that's a great catch. We offered him back in June. Problem is OSU offered him 2 weeks ago.

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Completely agree with the comment about Holmes....I remember watching him as a Freshman and even a Sophomore and wondering why he wasn't playing 30 min a game? No question he was a little raw, but him sitting on the bench was clearly helping our opponents.

Who is the last player BG had that could play both ends of the court and hit 40% from 3? Even 35%? Seriously....
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apollo wrote:Completely agree with the comment about Holmes....I remember watching him as a Freshman and even a Sophomore and wondering why he wasn't playing 30 min a game? No question he was a little raw, but him sitting on the bench was clearly helping our opponents.

Who is the last player BG had that could play both ends of the court and hit 40% from 3? Even 35%? Seriously....
McLeod? Reimold was okay on defense and a pretty good shooter, but don't remember percentages.

The problem is Louis Orr didn't recruit a single worthwhile shooter to BG unless Zach Denny finds his rhythm again.
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guest44 wrote:Louis Orr went on a run of big men who couldn't score 10ppg in high school. Like one every year, then redshirted them, then brought in another the next year. Kraus and Erger were the guys that were supposed to be shooters. Then, when he struck gold, he didn't play Holmes or Ogelsby for that matter, and just rode Cam Black and Crawford to mediocrity. Thus the lack of talent everywhere.
Boom. Exactly my beef with Orr as well.
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hammb wrote:
apollo wrote:Completely agree with the comment about Holmes....I remember watching him as a Freshman and even a Sophomore and wondering why he wasn't playing 30 min a game? No question he was a little raw, but him sitting on the bench was clearly helping our opponents.

Who is the last player BG had that could play both ends of the court and hit 40% from 3? Even 35%? Seriously....
McLeod? Reimold was okay on defense and a pretty good shooter, but don't remember percentages.



The problem is Louis Orr didn't recruit a single worthwhile shooter to BG unless Zach Denny finds his rhythm again.


Reimold is probably a good call....he was a very solid player and could make an open jumper. Think about how long that is without a consistent perimeter player...tough to win any games that way. Hopefully Huger can recruit...otherwise this program will just continue to underachieve with the resources they've been given.
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apollo wrote:
hammb wrote:
apollo wrote:Completely agree with the comment about Holmes....I remember watching him as a Freshman and even a Sophomore and wondering why he wasn't playing 30 min a game? No question he was a little raw, but him sitting on the bench was clearly helping our opponents.

Who is the last player BG had that could play both ends of the court and hit 40% from 3? Even 35%? Seriously....
McLeod? Reimold was okay on defense and a pretty good shooter, but don't remember percentages.



The problem is Louis Orr didn't recruit a single worthwhile shooter to BG unless Zach Denny finds his rhythm again.


Reimold is probably a good call....he was a very solid player and could make an open jumper. Think about how long that is without a consistent perimeter player...tough to win any games that way. Hopefully Huger can recruit...otherwise this program will just continue to underachieve with the resources they've been given.
Forgot Moten came on as a senior (under Orr) and had a pretty good season shooting, I think.

It was always the same issue with Orr's teams. Never brought in any shooting, always brought in big guys who were developmental projects at best. Very few of his recruits would come in and play well right away. When they did look capable they still remained stashed on the bench buried behind mediocre vets. But the shooting/scoring ability was what always frustrated the hell out of me. There are scorers available in every recruiting class. Be it HS or Juco there are always scorers to be had, and I cannot really think of a single one in his 7 year tenure. A team needs those guys...you develop them by getting them to take better shots, play within themselves, move the ball, etc. It's a helluva lot easier to take a pure scorer and develop that than it is to take a bunch of athletes and teach them to dribble, shoot, and pass.

I like the style of offense that Huger is running. If he can recruit we'll be good again. But this roster was left in such disarray that it's gonna take a couple years.
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apollo wrote:Who is the last player BG had that could play both ends of the court and hit 40% from 3? Even 35%? Seriously....
Scott Thomas.

Among the all-time steals leaders, a pretty good rebounder and passer, 37% on 3's as a senior. Problem was he was asked to do too much because of the limited talent around him. Playing 37 minutes a night and wearing down because he played a large role in every aspect on the floor.
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