Tech2000 wrote:Question, when did really go topsy turvy so to speak. We know urbans contract base was 125k, was it during Brandon's time, Clawson, dino's? Can't seem to find much in the past but the given is urbans and babers as far as pay and continued with Jinks?
Dino was making 170k at EIU. We almost tripled his salary for him to come here and leave in two years like Urbie did for a fraction of the cost....sure, they were a good 10-12 years apart...but 3x the salary? .
Falconturf...you and I are on the same page. We should focus on us, not what people accross the country think of us in relation to "big time" schools. We can have everything you described playing at any level. My point...my suspicion is ..we are going to be forced to make that decision based solely on economics.
And that won't be a bad thing
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Let's just hope the new AD recognizes some of the problems of the department and fixes them...number one being getting the sports back to full scholarship allotments and finding ways for some of these "revenue sports" to actually draw fans...BG athletics has a good product in several sports...Greg Christopher just ran off much of the community with his policies and it's been tough getting people back.
I personally don't think the department can support all the sports it currently has while also supporting FBS football and D1 Hockey, but hopefully the AD can figure it out.
I think the number one problem with nearly every athletic program in the country is funding and with the hire of an athletic director President Mazey was very clear that she thought an alum would do the be best job of fundraising. In order to get more scholarships and still fund all other aspects of our 18 teams fundraising is the key.
We can rent yellow buses for team travel and stay at the Y on road trips with minimally paid coaches or have full scholarships. Yes, I know this is a little far-fetched but to be honest the funds are limited and the most high profile sports are going to get what they want while the rest suffer until funds come in. I remember staying at The Holiday Inn on Lane across from THEosu for a HS tournament about 20 years ago and a women's varsity team was serving brunch Sunday morning downstairs as a fundraiser. Well documented is the income disparity of our universities but still similar (not the same) funding problems did exist. I'm sure their football and basketball teams never worked a brunch as waiters.
I proudly chose to be a Falcon and a Falcon I will remain until the end.
The funds aren't ever going to come in...someone has got to make some tough choices...I just know underfunding non revenue sports to keep hockey has made it near impossible for those sports to compete at the D1 level and against other conference schools who don't treat their sports like club teams.
Let's see: drop hockey if you are one poster and drop to D 2 if you are another poster. Both are certainly interesting thoughts.
Neither will prevent students from paying a fee to support athletics. They will still do that.
One will alienate a large number of BG fans and alums and eliminate not only great BG tradition/history but eliminate another way we reach and market to more folks outside Ohio. But we will win more baseball games as we will be better funded.
One will have us playing Tiffin in football. But on a Saturday in mid November.
The money will never come in I read above. Ever. It cannot happen. Why would this new AD ever show up for this literally impossible task? Bill Frack. $10 million. Glad we didn't tell him about that $ never coming in. Sebo. Stroh. Etc. Glad those guys thought BG Athletics was a good investment in more ways than one. And please don't reply and tell me we have not won in men's ball etc since Mr Frack's gift etc. Stand by- it is helping us daily.
I love BG baseball. I love BG women's soccer. I want our 14 non revenue sports to do well. To do better on scoreboard. Yes this task is difficult. Yes tough decisions must be made. Yes we must be creative and hard working in our athletic dept. Yes we must build bridges and rekindle connections. Yes all non Power 5 schools may have to find a different path. I get it. We must manage what we have and improve our resources as able/needed for path chosen.
But no hockey? Tiffin in November? You can post about it, but there are many many other steps we can, have and will take to get in a better position. That is what the new AD is hired to do.
Never said cut hockey...just saying continuing to do things the way we have the last few years isn't working.
That really can't be disputed...we basically suck in 75% of the sports we sponsor in any given year. The reason for that is we don't give all our teams what they need to win....so get rid of the sports you can't support...maybe the MAC and NCAA will let us sponsor just Football, Hockey, M&W Basketball, Volleyball and a couple other women's sports.
If alums are "alienated" by a change...that's on them. As for our history...history is dead. What we do in in the present doesn't change our past...but it might provide for a better future
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Yep...they exist in little glass boxes. Nothing we do now will change them. But hey...I wouldn't think that peopel around here would take much pride in a "small college championship". I mean for God's sake...they called us "small"
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
When can we get back to talking about football (the team, the stadium, the coaches) and not about getting rid of a program or moving us to a lower class? Somebody call me when we're back to talking about something relevant. BG is not moving anything anytime soon. And baseball...who cares. How many people go to the games? Like 4.
Just get back to a discussion that matters. We might as well talk about how BG will win the national title this coming year, because that's just as absurd to discuss.
footballguy51 wrote: We might as well talk about how BG will win the national title this coming year, because that's just as absurd to discuss.
In Football, yes. ...but not in Hockey... that second National Championship is definitely coming...and sooner rather than later. ....just sayin'....
And Thank You, falconfan1! You are the voice of reason in this place where we often need it. Thank you for stepping in to right the ship a bit when it's clearly needed.
"Regarding BGSU, I would think their biggest strength is that they never give up, They never slow down and they battle hard even after the other team scores. We have to be on our game and never, ever take the foot off the gas for a second." ~~USCHO Poster "BG was relentless. It's like they know that a good first pass on the breakout from a defenseman will almost always result in an odd-man rush against them - but they go in anyway and dare you to make that pass. All three of their goals were just grit and effort. That's a team any fan can be proud to support...they give all they've got." ~~USCHO Poster, AFTER Tech beat us #NeverGiveUp
#NeverSurrender
#Relentless
#Resiliant
footballguy51 wrote:When can we get back to talking about football (the team, the stadium, the coaches) and not about getting rid of a program or moving us to a lower class? Somebody call me when we're back to talking about something relevant. BG is not moving anything anytime soon. And baseball...who cares. How many people go to the games? Like 4.
Just get back to a discussion that matters. We might as well talk about how BG will win the national title this coming year, because that's just as absurd to discuss.
This is a difficult discussion, essential not absurd. Until the end of time, as we will know it, I think athletic funding is going to be an issue. We need all fans on board and look for the best solutions to this situation. Until we find the next Bill Frack, although this one may need to donate $100 million, we will be looking for solutions for funding what is now FBS football and our other DI athletics.
I wish we could bury our heads in the sand and think it will solve itself but I think fans are going to need to become more involved in financing and fundraising in order to keep this thing afloat. I believe it's possible but it won't be easy.
I proudly chose to be a Falcon and a Falcon I will remain until the end.
mcfalcons83 wrote:I love all BG sports also but baseball went to Washington State, Florida, and Spring Break to GA and NC this past year. How was that funded?
With BIG guarantees, from the home schools. They raise money for their spring trip with a golf outing and raffle.
